The Guns and Weapons Thread

Post by **Martin Blank** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:19 am

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="704093"]I thought high capacity magazines, like the 74-round ones, were illegal ... but oooh, now I wonder how much do they cost?[/quote]
It depends on the state, and even then there are quirks. For example, if you own a pre-ban magazine that has a capacity greater than ten rounds, and it is damaged beyond repair, it usually may be replaced by a firearms dealer with a new magazine. This is, of course, one-for-one, and you have to surrender the damaged unit.

The 74-round magazines (some places list them as 75, but I could swear that my friend said they hold 74 -- maybe +1 in the chamber for the memorable number?) seem to run about $130, give or take. They take forever to load, though, as you have to do a tensioning procedure, then load the rounds manually by dropping them in place, and finally tension it by turning it several times after closing it up. It's a royal pain, but it's also a lot more reliable than the 50-round extended mags, which have feed problems at low capacities due to the extended spring.

He has a 100-round double-spiral for his AR rifles (which works out so well with the heavy barrel) which is much easier to load. At $250 or so, they're really not cheap. However, it shoots just fine, and loads reasonably fast.

Combining all of these, we have come up with a mantra: "We shall load, and we shall load, and we shall load, until we can load no more. And then we shall shoot, and we shall shoot, and we shall shoot, until we can shoot no more. And then we shall load, and we shall load, and we shall load, until we can load no more. And then we will go home, because there ain't no damned light left!" Seriously -- he has enough mags that I think we figured out a total capacity of nearly a thousand rifle rounds. Pistols are much lower capacity, at only around 125, but if you're pulling those out, the zombies are closer than you want them to be anyway.

Nukinblackmage · Post by **Nukinblackmage** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:35 am

If it takes 30 minutes to load a clip, throw it at the zombies fucking head and load a 20 round.

RadicalDreamer · Post by **RadicalDreamer** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:51 am

[quote="Nukinblackmage";p="704185"]If it takes 30 minutes to load a clip, throw it at the zombies fucking head and load a 20 round.[/quote]

Tsk, tsk, Nukin. Magazine.

Nukinblackmage · Post by **Nukinblackmage** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:10 am

What the fuck ever.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:11 am

That was, shockingly, not the response I expected.

HTRN · Post by **HTRN** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:01 am

AFAIK, there is no such thing as a "AK58" - the official versions are AK-47, AKS, AKM, AKMS, RPK, AK-74, AK-101, AK-102, AK-103, AK-107, AK-108. Note, that this is the real russian made versions. Everybody from Israel to South Africa makes a version of the AK, often better build quality than Russian made guns.

The twin drum AR mag Martin is thinking of is called a "Beta-C mag". They're out of production and not cheap. Around $200. MGI makes a much cheaper(and therefore much more popular) 90 rounder that costs around $120. Most people go out and buy a Mag loader for the large capacity drum mags.

HTRN

Satsuki · Post by **Satsuki** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:18 pm

For most people, the GAP .45 rounds might be kind of difficult to come by, especially in a place like Hawaii, there are all sorts of evil customs laws and forms you have to sign. However I'm good friends with one of the instructors over at the Navy gun range who has the same gun, and whenever he orders a shipment of 9mm rounds he somehow is able to piggyback some glock rounds with them. I haven't had to buy any on the mainland yet.

HTRN · Post by **HTRN** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:20 am

Customs laws? Uhm, that's for stuff coming OUTSIDE the country.

The whole idea of a .45 GAP is to make guns chambered in 9mm able to fire a .45 caliber cartridge without major redesign. Whenever somebody yells "It's pointless" I like to point one concept that invariably gets hard core gun cranks drooling: .45 Browning Hipower. I actually looked into making slides, and contracting KKM to make the barrels, but with the long term health of this cartridge in question, I decided that perhaps it wasn't worth the effort.

.45 GAP is expensive, for the same reason why 10mm is expensive - it's a relatively unpopular cartridge, which means low demand for ammo. Your best bet for ammo it mail order, most likely Midway.

HTRN

Satsuki · Post by **Satsuki** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:33 pm

Yes, they are expensive. Luckily I have a high-paying job. And for customs laws,YES, Hawaii does enforce customs laws for just about everything, even if it's comming from mainland USA. Some happy horseshit about not wanting to disturb the natural ecosystem or whatever. And there's a pretty high crime rate in Honolulu, so gun laws are strict. This is why having friends in the military is a good thing.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:49 pm

[quote="Satsuki";p="704782"]there's a pretty high crime rate in Honolulu, so gun laws are strict.[/quote]
I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks there may well be a reverse cause-and-effect relationship, there.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:02 pm

Calus · Post by **Calus** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:10 pm

lYou are clearly not the only one Deacon.

HTRN · Post by **HTRN** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:22 pm

Let's see, mondo high crime rate in Washington DC, no handguns allowed.

New Orleans, mondo high crime rate, siezes guns after Katrina.

Camden NJ, mondo high crime rate, getting a carry permit is impossible.

Anybody else, sense a trend?

HTRN

Satsuki · Post by **Satsuki** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:51 pm

I can only say one thing to this: I carry a gun, and have never personally been robbed/attacked. I'm kinda disappointed.

Also, the crime rates are high all over the island "excluding" near/around the military bases/military housing, which coincidentally house the people most likely to carry guns for protection purposes.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:57 pm

Actually,

Nobody can carry a weapon on a base except an on-duty security police.

Everyone else has to put thier personal weapons into the armory.

No exceptions.

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