Is it still ok for Illegal Immigrants to come here?
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Oh, I see, so it's the GOVERNMENT that discriminates, not the citizens of a nation. Okay. Thanks for clearing thta up. I'll make sure to remember that box on most forms that says, "I prefer not to disclose that information", is fake.
Edit: To note an example, http://www.ssa.gov/online/ss-5.pdf. "Providing race/ethnic information is VOULENTARY.
You know, Blaze, I never said was only the government. The american people and the parts they've played in making immigrants feel unwelcome are most certainly a part of "America" in the statement "America has welcomed immigrants from the day she was born". Both the people and their culture, and the government they're responsible for creating, have both played parts in making a tragically laughable lie out of an unqualified statement like "we have [always] welcomed immigrants".
Secondly, just because the government doesn't discriminate so much when it comes to ethnicity now doesn't mean that they never did... with a statement like the one I was rebutting, you can't just look at the state of the nation's policies today, because things have changed from how they once were.
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This discussion has turned very political heh. I'll move it to PACE.
I don't have anything else to add to the discussion. I can't relate to, nor know anything about US illigal aliens, immigration, ect ect. I just had major issues with the way the origional article was structured.
I do know, however, that Canada welcomes all peoples. It takes about a year (Maybe 2?) to get a full Canadian citizenship, and our government AND society (for the most part from what I can see) do not descriminate. I do also know, as I learned in high school history, that when Canada was a new country, the government wanted only a "White Canada". Chinese immigrating to Canada actually had to pay a "head tax" in order to come in, which was very high. Seems Fuggle is saying the USA used to be the same way in their attitudes towards immigrants, and I would be very shocked if they were not, seeing as that attitude was the societal norm back in the 1800s. We, fortunately, live in a different world now.
I don't have anything else to add to the discussion. I can't relate to, nor know anything about US illigal aliens, immigration, ect ect. I just had major issues with the way the origional article was structured.
I do know, however, that Canada welcomes all peoples. It takes about a year (Maybe 2?) to get a full Canadian citizenship, and our government AND society (for the most part from what I can see) do not descriminate. I do also know, as I learned in high school history, that when Canada was a new country, the government wanted only a "White Canada". Chinese immigrating to Canada actually had to pay a "head tax" in order to come in, which was very high. Seems Fuggle is saying the USA used to be the same way in their attitudes towards immigrants, and I would be very shocked if they were not, seeing as that attitude was the societal norm back in the 1800s. We, fortunately, live in a different world now.
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Here is some more food for thought.
Had it e-mailed to me.
SOME FACTS ON THE MEX INVASION YOU’LL NEVER HEAR FROM FEINSTEIN-BOXER-WAXMAN-HARMAN-ESHOO
The cost to each AMERICAN family in this country for the MEXICAN INVASION and "CHEAP MEX LABOR" FOR WALMART is calculated to be $3,000 TO $5,000 PER YEAR per AMERICAN FAMILY.
WHILE THEY WAVE THEIR MEX FLAG IN OUR FACES
What if you spent that money on your child’s education or your retirement? How long will we let our elected whores WALMART US OUT? Now they’re even courting the illegals’ illegal vote!
9 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR CALIFORNIA ALONE ---------
THE FIGURES FOR MONEY SENT BACK TO MEX IS NOW UP TO 45 BILLION PER YEAR
"CHEAP" MEXICAN LABOR IS NOT AS CHEAP AS BIG BUSINESS, THE U S CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUSH’S CORPORATE CLASS, and our elected PIMPS would have you believe.
In fact the price tag for "CHEAP" labor is staggering. We can look at our communities all over this nation to see what the Mexican invasion has cost us. And I’m not just talking about the graffiti everywhere, gangs or trashed streets that announce the illegals have arrived.
The figures below do not account for the millions of Americans that were reduced to poverty because there are no entry level jobs available. They all go to Mexicans. Mexicans living in the underground tax-free economy primarily.
CHEAP MEXICAN LABOR DID NOT BUILD THIS GREAT NATION!
IT SURE AS HELL DIDN’T BUILD MEXICO!
Subject: From the L.A. Times Newspaper
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10 million people)
are working for cash and not paying taxes. Los Angeles County reports 2 billion dollars in the underground economy is lost.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
There have been 2000 Californians murdered by illegals who then fled back to Mexico to avoid prosecution.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien
Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican
nationals here illegally.
(Currently they’re letting out felons early due to the jail overcrowding. Many immediately commit crimes.)
Los Angeles County spends millions in jail cost for illegals still actively drug trafficking. To solve this problem, the county dispersed the Mexican drug dealers to jails over the states. This only propagated the drug dealers operations.
The County spends millions in fighting Mexican gangs which have spread all over the United States.
The County also spends millions on graffiti abatement.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely
illegal aliens from south of the border. It’s assumed the vast majority of the other half are Mexicans living here legally.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking. They united Mexicans in protest demanding "rights" they presume to be entitled to.
(They seem to have one program. Convince the Mexican invaders this country actually belongs to the Mexicans. )
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak
Spanish (10.2 million people in L. A. County).
( How many Mexicans do you know that have contempt for the English language?)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
(Los Angeles County spends $750,000 on social services to illegals. No wonder there isn’t enough money for education.)
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of
California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
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OTHER SOURCES: Similar figures
LOS ANGELES TIMES reports that California spends 9 billion on social services for illegals.
60% of the counties in the United States have serious meth problems. Meth that comes from Mexico. Part of Mexico’s 5 billion dollar drug export business.
An estimated 8,200 Illegal Immigrants cross the border each day. 57,400 a week . 250,000 a month.
84 hospitals in California alone have closed or are scheduled to close due mostly to rising costs of caring for uninsured Illegal Immigrants since 1993. It is estimated that 50% of their services went to Illegal Immigrants who did not pay their bills. According to the American Hospital Association the estimated uncompensated cost of care in 2000 was $21.6 billion. Roughly 6% of total expenses. The government allotted only $1 billion to help cover those costs.
Anchor babies account for roughly 10% of all US births. In 2003, anchor babies accounted for 70% of all births in San Joachim General Hospital in Stockton, California.
US taxpayers spent an estimated $7.4 Billion in 2003 to educate illegal immigrants. 34% of students in the Los Angeles school system are illegals or children of illegals. Two thirds of Illegal Immigrants adults DO NOT have a high school degree or equivalent. The illiteracy rate for Illegal Immigrants is 2.5 times higher than that of US Citizens.
Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are illegal aliens from Mexico. 29% or a whopping 630,000 convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually; not to mention the tragedies in death, drugs, crime and misery they have caused American families.
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Illegal aliens cost California billions
By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published December 7, 2004
(NOTE THESE FIGURE ARE FROM 2004. SINCE THEN THERE’S BEEN ANOTHER 10 MILLION ILLEGALS CLIMB OVER THE BORDERS. THE PEW REPORTS THAT APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION !MORE! MEXICANS ARE PLANNING TO JOIN THEM FOR THE AMERICAN GRAVY TRAIN)
Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California -- which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide -- $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.
The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," said FAIR President Dan Stein.
"Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become," he said.
California is estimated to be home to nearly 3 million illegal aliens.
Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year.
He also said the total cost of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas, such as special English instruction, school meal programs or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal-alien workers were added into the equation.
Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.
In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.
The FAIR report focused on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994, Mr. Stein said. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants at about $1.1 billion a year.
Mr. Stein said an enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants in 10 years is because of the rapid growth of the illegal population. He said it is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
"1994 was the same year that California voters rebelled and overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for mass illegal immigration," he said. "Since then, state and local governments have blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens.
"Predictably, the costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy," he said.
Mr. Stein said that the state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal-alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed, and that policies need to be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.
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A Day Without Illegal Aliens Is a Boon to Taxpayers
by Rep. Tom Tancredo
Posted May 01, 2006
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R.-Colo.), chairman of the 97-member House Immigration Reform Caucus, released the following statement about Monday’s planned boycott by illegal immigrants.
A day without illegal aliens would be a boon to U.S. taxpayers who wouldn’t pay for the tremendous social service costs of persons not legally in our country. On May 1, illegal alien activists are threatening to shut down major cities in what has been called "The Great American Boycott" and, alternatively, "A Day Without an Immigrant."
The activist protestors are trying to confuse the American public by lumping legal immigrants with illegal aliens. A day without legal immigrants would be a day without almost all Americans. A day without illegal aliens, on the other hand, would be a boon to the American taxpayer.
The net cost to the federal government in 2002 for public services provided to illegal aliens was $10.4 billion or $2,736 per household according to a report by the Center for Immigration Studies. Estimates for 2005 put the amount at $11.7 billion or $3,080 per household.
Illegal Alien Costs By Social Service
Lost Revenue: The U.S. may be foregoing up to $35 billion in lost tax revenue because of the growing size of the underground labor market using illegal workers in the cash economy, according to a January, 2005 report by the Wall Street firm Bear Sterns.
Health Costs: Medicaid costs for illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children are $2.8 billion annually, according to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies. Approximately 70% of households headed by illegal aliens have at least one person without medical insurance, compared to 20% of all other households. The federal government spends $250 million each year reimbursing states for emergency medical services provided to illegal aliens, which is less than 10% of the true cost of those services.
Education Costs: The Center for Immigration Studies has shown that federal aid to K-12 public schools for the education of the children of illegal aliens is $1.4 billion annually, not including the cost of free school lunches. The total cost to state and local taxpayers for educating 3.5 million children of illegal aliens is estimated at $28.6 billion, according to a Federation for American Immigration Reform study.
Incarceration: Illegal aliens account for less than 5% of the U.S. adult population, but were 17% of the federal prison population in 2004, imposing a net cost of $1.8 billion in court and incarceration expenses.
Fortunately, Americans have seen through the protestors’ half-truths. A Rasmussen poll released last week showed widespread disfavor of recent immigration protests, with 26 percent holding a favorable opinion and 54 percent holding an unfavorable opinion.
Americans don’t respond well to illegal aliens who demand amnesty. As I’ve said before, that doesn’t play well in Peoria. Every time illegal aliens and their supporters take to the streets, it drives home the point to most Americans that illegal immigration is a problem in their home towns, and that we urgently need to get control of our borders.
Rep. Tancredo (R.-Colo.) is chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus.
Had it e-mailed to me.
SOME FACTS ON THE MEX INVASION YOU’LL NEVER HEAR FROM FEINSTEIN-BOXER-WAXMAN-HARMAN-ESHOO
The cost to each AMERICAN family in this country for the MEXICAN INVASION and "CHEAP MEX LABOR" FOR WALMART is calculated to be $3,000 TO $5,000 PER YEAR per AMERICAN FAMILY.
WHILE THEY WAVE THEIR MEX FLAG IN OUR FACES
What if you spent that money on your child’s education or your retirement? How long will we let our elected whores WALMART US OUT? Now they’re even courting the illegals’ illegal vote!
9 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR FOR CALIFORNIA ALONE ---------
THE FIGURES FOR MONEY SENT BACK TO MEX IS NOW UP TO 45 BILLION PER YEAR
"CHEAP" MEXICAN LABOR IS NOT AS CHEAP AS BIG BUSINESS, THE U S CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUSH’S CORPORATE CLASS, and our elected PIMPS would have you believe.
In fact the price tag for "CHEAP" labor is staggering. We can look at our communities all over this nation to see what the Mexican invasion has cost us. And I’m not just talking about the graffiti everywhere, gangs or trashed streets that announce the illegals have arrived.
The figures below do not account for the millions of Americans that were reduced to poverty because there are no entry level jobs available. They all go to Mexicans. Mexicans living in the underground tax-free economy primarily.
CHEAP MEXICAN LABOR DID NOT BUILD THIS GREAT NATION!
IT SURE AS HELL DIDN’T BUILD MEXICO!
Subject: From the L.A. Times Newspaper
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10 million people)
are working for cash and not paying taxes. Los Angeles County reports 2 billion dollars in the underground economy is lost.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
There have been 2000 Californians murdered by illegals who then fled back to Mexico to avoid prosecution.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien
Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican
nationals here illegally.
(Currently they’re letting out felons early due to the jail overcrowding. Many immediately commit crimes.)
Los Angeles County spends millions in jail cost for illegals still actively drug trafficking. To solve this problem, the county dispersed the Mexican drug dealers to jails over the states. This only propagated the drug dealers operations.
The County spends millions in fighting Mexican gangs which have spread all over the United States.
The County also spends millions on graffiti abatement.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely
illegal aliens from south of the border. It’s assumed the vast majority of the other half are Mexicans living here legally.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking. They united Mexicans in protest demanding "rights" they presume to be entitled to.
(They seem to have one program. Convince the Mexican invaders this country actually belongs to the Mexicans. )
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak
Spanish (10.2 million people in L. A. County).
( How many Mexicans do you know that have contempt for the English language?)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
(Los Angeles County spends $750,000 on social services to illegals. No wonder there isn’t enough money for education.)
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of
California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.
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OTHER SOURCES: Similar figures
LOS ANGELES TIMES reports that California spends 9 billion on social services for illegals.
60% of the counties in the United States have serious meth problems. Meth that comes from Mexico. Part of Mexico’s 5 billion dollar drug export business.
An estimated 8,200 Illegal Immigrants cross the border each day. 57,400 a week . 250,000 a month.
84 hospitals in California alone have closed or are scheduled to close due mostly to rising costs of caring for uninsured Illegal Immigrants since 1993. It is estimated that 50% of their services went to Illegal Immigrants who did not pay their bills. According to the American Hospital Association the estimated uncompensated cost of care in 2000 was $21.6 billion. Roughly 6% of total expenses. The government allotted only $1 billion to help cover those costs.
Anchor babies account for roughly 10% of all US births. In 2003, anchor babies accounted for 70% of all births in San Joachim General Hospital in Stockton, California.
US taxpayers spent an estimated $7.4 Billion in 2003 to educate illegal immigrants. 34% of students in the Los Angeles school system are illegals or children of illegals. Two thirds of Illegal Immigrants adults DO NOT have a high school degree or equivalent. The illiteracy rate for Illegal Immigrants is 2.5 times higher than that of US Citizens.
Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are illegal aliens from Mexico. 29% or a whopping 630,000 convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually; not to mention the tragedies in death, drugs, crime and misery they have caused American families.
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Illegal aliens cost California billions
By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published December 7, 2004
(NOTE THESE FIGURE ARE FROM 2004. SINCE THEN THERE’S BEEN ANOTHER 10 MILLION ILLEGALS CLIMB OVER THE BORDERS. THE PEW REPORTS THAT APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION !MORE! MEXICANS ARE PLANNING TO JOIN THEM FOR THE AMERICAN GRAVY TRAIN)
Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California -- which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide -- $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.
The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," said FAIR President Dan Stein.
"Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become," he said.
California is estimated to be home to nearly 3 million illegal aliens.
Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year.
He also said the total cost of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas, such as special English instruction, school meal programs or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal-alien workers were added into the equation.
Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.
In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.
The FAIR report focused on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994, Mr. Stein said. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants at about $1.1 billion a year.
Mr. Stein said an enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants in 10 years is because of the rapid growth of the illegal population. He said it is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
"1994 was the same year that California voters rebelled and overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for mass illegal immigration," he said. "Since then, state and local governments have blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens.
"Predictably, the costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy," he said.
Mr. Stein said that the state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal-alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed, and that policies need to be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.
*****************************************************************************
A Day Without Illegal Aliens Is a Boon to Taxpayers
by Rep. Tom Tancredo
Posted May 01, 2006
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R.-Colo.), chairman of the 97-member House Immigration Reform Caucus, released the following statement about Monday’s planned boycott by illegal immigrants.
A day without illegal aliens would be a boon to U.S. taxpayers who wouldn’t pay for the tremendous social service costs of persons not legally in our country. On May 1, illegal alien activists are threatening to shut down major cities in what has been called "The Great American Boycott" and, alternatively, "A Day Without an Immigrant."
The activist protestors are trying to confuse the American public by lumping legal immigrants with illegal aliens. A day without legal immigrants would be a day without almost all Americans. A day without illegal aliens, on the other hand, would be a boon to the American taxpayer.
The net cost to the federal government in 2002 for public services provided to illegal aliens was $10.4 billion or $2,736 per household according to a report by the Center for Immigration Studies. Estimates for 2005 put the amount at $11.7 billion or $3,080 per household.
Illegal Alien Costs By Social Service
Lost Revenue: The U.S. may be foregoing up to $35 billion in lost tax revenue because of the growing size of the underground labor market using illegal workers in the cash economy, according to a January, 2005 report by the Wall Street firm Bear Sterns.
Health Costs: Medicaid costs for illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children are $2.8 billion annually, according to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies. Approximately 70% of households headed by illegal aliens have at least one person without medical insurance, compared to 20% of all other households. The federal government spends $250 million each year reimbursing states for emergency medical services provided to illegal aliens, which is less than 10% of the true cost of those services.
Education Costs: The Center for Immigration Studies has shown that federal aid to K-12 public schools for the education of the children of illegal aliens is $1.4 billion annually, not including the cost of free school lunches. The total cost to state and local taxpayers for educating 3.5 million children of illegal aliens is estimated at $28.6 billion, according to a Federation for American Immigration Reform study.
Incarceration: Illegal aliens account for less than 5% of the U.S. adult population, but were 17% of the federal prison population in 2004, imposing a net cost of $1.8 billion in court and incarceration expenses.
Fortunately, Americans have seen through the protestors’ half-truths. A Rasmussen poll released last week showed widespread disfavor of recent immigration protests, with 26 percent holding a favorable opinion and 54 percent holding an unfavorable opinion.
Americans don’t respond well to illegal aliens who demand amnesty. As I’ve said before, that doesn’t play well in Peoria. Every time illegal aliens and their supporters take to the streets, it drives home the point to most Americans that illegal immigration is a problem in their home towns, and that we urgently need to get control of our borders.
Rep. Tancredo (R.-Colo.) is chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus.
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[quote="document";p="705448"]Oh, I almost forgot to mention...my mother had to take a basic English class and pass a test. I'm not saying that's good or bad, I just think it is funny considering she came from the U.K.[/quote]
You'd be surprised at the language barrier that occasionally sometimes crops up when someone from the USA and UK try to talk to each other. I have personal experience in this. In the USA, we have shortened some words. (i.e. Path/Pathway)
You'd be surprised at the language barrier that occasionally sometimes crops up when someone from the USA and UK try to talk to each other. I have personal experience in this. In the USA, we have shortened some words. (i.e. Path/Pathway)
Jamie Bond, So will Canada accept drug dealers/runners, murderers, rapists and war criminals? (Yes, I know not all people from south of the US border are these, I'm just poking at the welcoming of ALL peoples.)I do know, however, that Canada welcomes all peoples. It takes about a year (Maybe 2?) to get a full Canadian citizenship, and our government AND society (for the most part from what I can see) do not descriminate.
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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson
The most dangerous words from an Engineer: "I have an idea."
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson
This same discussion was started on another forum I now used to frequent. I say used to because by expressing my thoughts in pretty much the same way as I have here, I was attacked personally. After responding to the attack I was accused of being racist and banned from the forum. It's a sad state that some member of the left is able to attack someone, ban them, and not allow them to respond to the attack.
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[quote="Ric_Price";p="705549"]It's a sad state that someone, on either the left OR the right, is able to attack someone, ban them, and not allow them to respond to the attack.[/quote]
Fixed.
Fixed.
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document, by the way, that whole rigmarole was for obtaining citizenship, which is not necessarily what we're talking about here, which is far easier and less complicated, such as obtaining a work or study visa.
PS I'm still in favor of the US adopting Mexico's immigration policies and tactics for all those seeking to enter through the Mexican border. Watch the fucking fallout from that...
PS I'm still in favor of the US adopting Mexico's immigration policies and tactics for all those seeking to enter through the Mexican border. Watch the fucking fallout from that...
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StruckingFuggle
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What policies and tactics are those?
"He who lives by the sword dies by my arrow."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
"In your histories, there are continual justifications for all manner of hellish actions. Claims of nobility and heritage and honor to cover up every bit of genocide, assassination, and massacre. At least the Horde is honest in their naked lust for power."
Ric_Price, have you bothered to check any of those numbers? At all?
I don't have the time to check over any of the others right now, but you seem pretty indiscriminate in your "sources". Reroll and try again.
Regardless, they aren't coming over to rape, loot, and destroy, they're coming over for jobs, and who can blame them? The life of an illegal is pretty hellish, they aren't exactly coming over and lounging about. If you want to stop illegal immigration, pay attention to the people causing it (read: businesses), not the people doing what anyone in their positions would do, nor the unwillingness of their politicians to cut off a massive source of income to their country.
...Analysis of the March 2005 Current Population Survey shows that there were 11.1 million unauthorized migrants in the United States a year ago. Based on analysis of other data sources that offer indications of the pace of growth in the foreign-born population, the Center developed an estimate of 11.5 to 12 million for the unauthorized population as of March 2006.
Size and Characteristics of the Unauthorized Migrant Population in the U.S.About 7.2 million unauthorized migrants were employed in March 2005, accounting for about 4.9% of the civilian labor force. They made up a large share of all workers in a few more detailed occupational categories, including 24% of all workers employed in farming occupations, 17% in cleaning, 14% in construction and 12% in food preparation.
I don't have the time to check over any of the others right now, but you seem pretty indiscriminate in your "sources". Reroll and try again.
Regardless, they aren't coming over to rape, loot, and destroy, they're coming over for jobs, and who can blame them? The life of an illegal is pretty hellish, they aren't exactly coming over and lounging about. If you want to stop illegal immigration, pay attention to the people causing it (read: businesses), not the people doing what anyone in their positions would do, nor the unwillingness of their politicians to cut off a massive source of income to their country.
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and wrap me in clouds of blasphemy
in the end i won't ask why
you can do what you want with me
Now only down 90% of the day!
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Deacon
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StruckingFuggle, really? Do we have to go over it all over again, the strict immigration policies and low limits on those entering the country from their southern border, the rampant corruption and tacitly endorsed imprisoning of illegals held ransom for money from their families, the physical abuse and complete lack of rights they're afforded, etc? Life is complete hell for anyone, say Guatemalan or otherwise, caught illegally in Mexico. It's uncomfortable enough for those caught legally there. If we were to mimic Mexico's treatment of illegal aliens they would be raising a stink such as you've not seen before. The duplicitous, corrupt, two-faced, backwards nation that is Mexico receives no sympathy from me.
Posted Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:55 am:
[quote="ILurker";p="705590"]The life of an illegal is pretty hellish, they aren't exactly coming over and lounging about.[/quote]
Where are you getting your information?
Posted Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:55 am:
[quote="ILurker";p="705590"]The life of an illegal is pretty hellish, they aren't exactly coming over and lounging about.[/quote]
Where are you getting your information?
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
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