Is it still ok for Illegal Immigrants to come here?

[ILurker]

Reportrific!

Looks like 94% employment for male illegal immigrants 18-64 (verus 83% for native born and 86% for legal immigrants, which might seem really high until you consider that a lot of those are students).

[StruckingFuggle]

[qupte]StruckingFuggle, really? Do we have to go over it all over again,[/quote]

I have a feeling it's been mentioned before, but for the life of me I can't remember what they are, so ... no we don't have to, but it would be nice.

the strict immigration policies and low limits on those entering the country from their southern border, the rampant corruption and tacitly endorsed imprisoning of illegals held ransom for money from their families, the physical abuse and complete lack of rights they're afforded, etc? Life is complete hell for anyone, say Guatemalan or otherwise, caught illegally in Mexico. It's uncomfortable enough for those caught legally there. If we were to mimic Mexico's treatment of illegal aliens they would be raising a stink such as you've not seen before. The duplicitous, corrupt, two-faced, backwards nation that is Mexico receives no sympathy from me.

...And except for everyone except the Mexicans who endorse Mexico's policies, their stink would be damn well justified, too. That's horrible.

[Seraphim]

[quote="Deacon";p="705291"]Jamie Bond, accurate numbers or not, some practical problems are felt. I myself, for instance, have been the victim of an uninsured hit-and-run by (presumably) an illegal alien.[/quote]

Why pray tell is that presumed?

[Deacon]

Because it was a couple of very hispanic people in a beat up, dusty old mid-80's mustang who fled the scene. That's what the "run" part of "hit and run" means. It's not uncommon around here.

[StruckingFuggle]

Nevermind that almost half the population of San Antonio is hispanic/latino, and it's not like you can tell if someone is a citizen or an illegal based on if they're "very hispanic" or not, right? And it's not like citizens don't also run from the scene of an accident, either ...

[Deacon]

StruckingFuggle, thank you, you've successfully disproved the notion that relatively poor border jumpers in trashed-outa cars don't insure their vehicles, don't want to be caught by the police and INS, and would never run from the scene of an accident. It's certainly possible that he could've been here legally, but that would not change the fact that it's common for illegals to not actually dot their I's and cross their T's when it comes to anything other than collecting checks from the government.

[jimkatai]

I'm not exactly sure but I think illegals can get welfare.

[Deacon]

City, state, and federal benefits are allotted, some by "force" (i.e. emergency rooms), some with a nod and a wink and purposefully omitting any questions, some with stolen identities, and some by squeezing out their kids across the border.

[adciv]

jimkatai, Not legally, but some do get it anyways.

[Accer]

[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="705666"]Nevermind that almost half the population of San Antonio is hispanic/latino, and it's not like you can tell if someone is a citizen or an illegal based on if they're "very hispanic" or not, right? And it's not like citizens don't also run from the scene of an accident, either ...[/quote]

The population of Texas is about 23 million. There's about 1.5 illegals. All other factors aside there's a 7% chance that Deacon was hit by illegal aliens.

Insurance companies estimate about one in four people in Texas are uninsured, which means there are a lot more uninsured citizens running around than uninsured illegals, no?

[Deacon]

Accer, your math is inaccurate. First of all, 1.5 million illegals is a lot. Secondly, being in San Antonio increases those odds significantly. Thirdly, the fact that they ran rather than be subject to a basic police accident report indicates that they had reason not to be interviewed by the police, rather than them just happening to be hispanic.

[Martin Blank]

[quote="Ric_Price";p="705485"]Here is some more food for thought.

Had it e-mailed to me.[/quote]
You're supporting your position with e-mailed "facts"?

I'm a big proponent of seeing the Mexican border sealed to prevent most illegal immigration (some will get through, no matter what you do -- people sneak into and out of North Korea, so it can be done anywhere), but if you're going to present facts, please make sure they're backed up and verifiable. The list presented in the e-mail you received was reviewed by Snopes, which came back with a mixed bag of results.

Edit: Interesting that a German illegal alien is on the LAPD's most-wanted list.

[Accer]

[quote="Deacon";p="705794"]Accer, your math is inaccurate. First of all, 1.5 million illegals is a lot. Secondly, being in San Antonio increases those odds significantly. Thirdly, the fact that they ran rather than be subject to a basic police accident report indicates that they had reason not to be interviewed by the police, rather than them just happening to be hispanic.[/quote]

I'm not sure what this has to do with my math being inaccurate. My statement that there are many more uninsured citizens than non-citizens still stands, right? That was the only point I was making.

Unless "a lot" of illegals magically changes percetages...

[Deacon]

No, it paints an inaccurate picture due to differences in distribution and concentration.

[Deacon]

Lucksi, that's part of the deal here in the US. There is widespread tolerance of illegal immigration, and it's considered a racist policy to require that everyone provide proof of citizenship or legal alien status for such things as a drivers license, where sometimes that's not even a requirement (IIRC). I mean, seriously, you don't even have to prove that to VOTE. All you have to do is take someone's voter registration card with you when you vote, which you can get without proving your citizenship (check the box that says you're a citizen when applying for your driver's license, and you have another box that askes whether you'd like to register to vote), and voilà! You've got yourself a vote.

Posted Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:15 pm:

PS I have found a single page from the Center for Immigration Studies that is a good overall source of immigration information (versus broken up into many pages), though Google certainly turns up quite a few hits as well. Billions of dollars are spent yearly in Texas alone on illegal immigrants, primarily in education, health care, and incarceration. It was approximately $5 billion in 2004, and after tax revenues are set against it, it brings it down to about $4 billion. That's still a helluva bil for Texas' tax payers. You add to that the mostly negative social impact, and there's a strong case for ending the widespread tolerance of illegal immigration.