I am not a completely unreasonable ass.
Is it still ok for Illegal Immigrants to come here?
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[quote="Ric_Price";p="705969"]All persons here illegally that have committed crimes beyond when they came here. Crimes like what most citizens would be arrested for, ship their asses out, no questions asked. For those who have been productive since coming here, give them a chance to become legal and if they do not take that chance, ship their asses out then.[/quote]
Looks like you might be benefiting from the drug running to think that is a claim that makes perfect sense, unless you include the act of illegal immigration, in which case your statement is merely ridiculous.
I'm sorry your sister was raped, but they were probably illegal because they were already bad people, not bad people because they were illegal.
Looks like you might be benefiting from the drug running to think that is a claim that makes perfect sense, unless you include the act of illegal immigration, in which case your statement is merely ridiculous.
I'm sorry your sister was raped, but they were probably illegal because they were already bad people, not bad people because they were illegal.
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You're assuming they are not already good and decent in the first place simply because they're illegals, and you still haven't responded to claiming they're all criminals or people who wish to commit crimes.
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Illegal immigration is just that, illegal. A Crime. They broke laws in how they entered this country. That makes them criminals. However, Amnesty through a guest worker program would allow them to become legal. If they choose not to take advantage of it or if they have committed other crimes since coming here, then ship them out, no questions asked.
Simple enough for you?
Simple enough for you?
Except the part where that ignores the whole spectrum of ways a guest worker program might not address the problem, that you assume impatience over economic pressure as the only reason other than blatant criminality to immigrate illegally, and you seem not to differentiate between the state of breaking laws and being a criminal in anything but the most literal sense.
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People break laws all the time, sometime serious ones, without being criminals in the social sense, which implies a definite moral laxness and societal irreverence. You also ignore the marked difference betwen the seriousness of crimes, the degree of malice involved, a trillion other things I'm sure you'd consider if they were Good, God Fearing Americans. For example, some guy who wants work to feed his family jumping the border to install insulation for the rest of his working life. He broke the law, yes, but he's problably just interested in living his life fairly quietly, like the majority of everyone, everywhere.
While there are many things which could be done, it's a bit hasty to declare the deal done until it's on the table, now, isn't it?
While there are many things which could be done, it's a bit hasty to declare the deal done until it's on the table, now, isn't it?
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You are missing the bloody point. I have said time and again that those who jump the border, while being criminals yes, deserve a chance to become legal here before being shipped out. What that means is this, if they are given a legitimate chance to become legal here, don't ship them out. let hem stay, but if they do not take the oppertunity given to them, ship them out. All others who come here and continue to commit crimes while here should be shipped out no questions asked and no second chance. How many times do I have to explain it to where you get the point?
The part where you said they were either too impatient or (actual, everyday usage of the word) criminals for illegally immigrating, bought into large piles of psuedofacts about their criminality and awful, immoral, freeloading nature, and brought up some irrelevant fact about your unfortunate sister as if it applied to all of them.
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[quote="ILurker";p="705991"]some guy who wants work to feed his family jumping the border to install insulation for the rest of his working life.[/quote]
That man should be dropped off in the jungle along the Mexico-Guatemala border. Your hyperbole is bullshit. "Some guy who wants work to feed his family jumping the border with a load of coke" is OK, too?
And he's going to ship pretty much all of that out across the border, to the tune of approximately, what is it $50 billion every year? Something like that. And in the mean time you're also going to say that, due to his criminal trespass in this country, we also owe him and are responsible for feeding and clothing his children, footing the bill for their largely Spanish-speaking education, paying for their health care, and making them automatically citizens. Good people do not enter the country illegally. Selfish, short-sighted people enter the country illegally.
[quote="Ric_Price";p="705984"]Amnesty through a guest worker program would allow them to become legal.[/quote]
That's one of the worst ideas in the history of terrible ideas. You simply double or triple (or more!) the influx of illegals who think they can simply cut in line. You're promising them free, consequence-free rewards for committing crimes. It actually makes me legitimately angry.
That man should be dropped off in the jungle along the Mexico-Guatemala border. Your hyperbole is bullshit. "Some guy who wants work to feed his family jumping the border with a load of coke" is OK, too?
And he's going to ship pretty much all of that out across the border, to the tune of approximately, what is it $50 billion every year? Something like that. And in the mean time you're also going to say that, due to his criminal trespass in this country, we also owe him and are responsible for feeding and clothing his children, footing the bill for their largely Spanish-speaking education, paying for their health care, and making them automatically citizens. Good people do not enter the country illegally. Selfish, short-sighted people enter the country illegally.
[quote="Ric_Price";p="705984"]Amnesty through a guest worker program would allow them to become legal.[/quote]
That's one of the worst ideas in the history of terrible ideas. You simply double or triple (or more!) the influx of illegals who think they can simply cut in line. You're promising them free, consequence-free rewards for committing crimes. It actually makes me legitimately angry.
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
[quote="Deacon";p="706016"][quote="ILurker";p="705991"]some guy who wants work to feed his family jumping the border to install insulation for the rest of his working life.[/quote]
That man should be dropped off in the jungle along the Mexico-Guatemala border. Your hyperbole is bullshit. "Some guy who wants work to feed his family jumping the border with a load of coke" is OK, too?
And he's going to ship pretty much all of that out across the border, to the tune of approximately, what is it $50 billion every year? Something like that. And in the mean time you're also going to say that, due to his criminal trespass in this country, we also owe him and are responsible for feeding and clothing his children, footing the bill for their largely Spanish-speaking education, paying for their health care, and making them automatically citizens. Good people do not enter the country illegally. Selfish, short-sighted people enter the country illegally.
[quote="Ric_Price";p="705984"]Amnesty through a guest worker program would allow them to become legal.[/quote]
That's one of the worst ideas in the history of terrible ideas. You simply double or triple (or more!) the influx of illegals who think they can simply cut in line. You're promising them free, consequence-free rewards for committing crimes. It actually makes me legitimately angry.[/quote]
Get your panties out of a wad Deacon, that was just the most prominent of suggestions. The way to impliment anything is to give them till a deadline, like say December 31st, and anyone not having filed the paperwork by then would be considered eligible for deportation.
That man should be dropped off in the jungle along the Mexico-Guatemala border. Your hyperbole is bullshit. "Some guy who wants work to feed his family jumping the border with a load of coke" is OK, too?
And he's going to ship pretty much all of that out across the border, to the tune of approximately, what is it $50 billion every year? Something like that. And in the mean time you're also going to say that, due to his criminal trespass in this country, we also owe him and are responsible for feeding and clothing his children, footing the bill for their largely Spanish-speaking education, paying for their health care, and making them automatically citizens. Good people do not enter the country illegally. Selfish, short-sighted people enter the country illegally.
[quote="Ric_Price";p="705984"]Amnesty through a guest worker program would allow them to become legal.[/quote]
That's one of the worst ideas in the history of terrible ideas. You simply double or triple (or more!) the influx of illegals who think they can simply cut in line. You're promising them free, consequence-free rewards for committing crimes. It actually makes me legitimately angry.[/quote]
Get your panties out of a wad Deacon, that was just the most prominent of suggestions. The way to impliment anything is to give them till a deadline, like say December 31st, and anyone not having filed the paperwork by then would be considered eligible for deportation.
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No, that's not the way to implement it. The way to implement it is to burn the paper it's written on, right there on live national TV, and declare that those who would invade this country illegally will never be rewarded for it.
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
I used to agree with you Deacon. I just don't find the feasibility of shipping them all out viable anymore. It would just take too much time and too many resources to ship them all out. Now, shipping out all the ones who have committed crimes after crossing over ILLEGALLY (Yes ILurker that is for you) will be simple, just round them up from the prisons and ship them back to their country of origin. With the rest, I would prefer penalizing them in some way, like giving them a bill for all the back taxes they would owe for working illegally and expecting them to pay (Like the IRS does to people who do not pay their taxes) and garnishing their wages untill paid off. This way we could eliminate the illegal immigration issue and penalize the people who came here illegally but not have to spend the time and resources to round them up and ship them out.
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Ric_Price, shipping them all out? Feasibility? Since when are we talking about that? Right now all we're talking about is whether to bring The Great Flood down on our heads. The influx of just *new* illegals has already doubled since 10 years ago. Declare an open border and watch the torrents unleashed, completely upsetting the current balance.
The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. - Helen Rowland, A Guide to Men, 1922
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