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spikegirl7 · Post by **spikegirl7** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:37 pm

Huskies are WAY smaller than wolves, so it's hard to mistake them. Why do i like my wolf-dog pups? They're smart, loyal, loving, and very playful. i love their singing, and i'm impressed with how they kill rabbits and mice and rats. And of course, wolves are BIG. Our adult male is bigger than i am.

The person we got the dogs from actually HAD at one point a 100% wolf. It was also a rather tame and sweet animal before it had died (note: it was a female and they got it before it was weaned). That isn't to say that i recommend anyone getting themselves a wolf pup to raise, wolf-dogs and wolf-pups take a lot of affection and care. Not everyone has the time or will to raise a wolf/wolf-hybrid.

Further note on my mutts' mix: their dad was more than 50% timber wolf (his parent was the timber wolf) and the rest was German Shepard/timber wolf mutt. Their mother was 75% arctic wolf and 25% Malamut.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:01 pm

spikegirl7, I wasn't talking about you, but others who seem to be describing huskies, especially seeing as huskies and malamutes and such are much more common than actual wolf/dog hybrids, and they bear a striking resemblance to wolves to most people out there.

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:25 pm

[quote="jimkatai";p="706331"]and to refute Arminius' claim that you can't override a wolf's alpha instincts and become the wolf's Alpha. I do have to say it takes a very strong will to do so, and the way you raise a dog with wolf in it is not a way you train any other dog, but it is possible to override the Alpha mentality of a wolf-dog (although with many breeds there are inherent risks that come with inherent advantages, I'll give you that).[/quote]
I've never said that you can't override a wolf's alpha instincts. I've said that a wolf, even raised in captivity is still a wild animal. Personally, I wouldn't take the chance to raise a wolf with young children. And NO, huskies didn't lose their hierarchical instincts neither. They have a far better temperament and disposition which could be explained by more than 6000 years of domestication by the natives. But they kept many things from their wolfish ancestors too. They still sing to the moon, they still work like a hierarchical pack and they will NOT recognize you as their master if you are not constant, firm and confident. Many husky breeders won't even allow you to buy a husky if it's your first dog. If so, they are certainly not dominant male.

Arc Orion · Post by **Arc Orion** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:48 am

I want a monkey.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:32 pm

I have a golden retriever for smarts, and a mini schnauzer for killing vermin (he's already taken out the neighbor's rabbit...twice, and one stray cat).

Dunno why people like the idea of a pet wolf so much. Sure, they are smart and pretty, but they are fucking mean. You might get individuals you can keep as pets, but I would be very wary of any high-percentage wolf blood animals.

Sophira · Post by **Sophira** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:07 pm

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Not that I agree so much with the study.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:18 pm

No, wolves are mean. This is pretty much well documented.

They have to be, to survive really.

Sophira · Post by **Sophira** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:48 pm

What I linked didn't say that they weren't.

spikegirl7 · Post by **spikegirl7** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:53 pm

WILD wolves, yes, are mean. Wolf hybrids and the occasional wolf that is bred and brought up with love and care are NOT mean. You really can't dispute this against me, i have 3 wolf dogs and have been around a LOT more. None of them even growls at humans. i will say this clearly: No wolf-bred dog i have ever met has EVER made any menacing or aggressive move towards me or any other human (except to get petted). None of them have failed to be sweet and caring towards their family and respectful towards anyone they meet.

Now, can wolf dogs be vicious? Absolutely, given to people who are mean or don't care about them. i'd REALLY be afraid of any wolf that was trained as an attack dog. i'd be afraid of sending any pup of ours to anyone who was mean or intended to train the dogs to be so. Look at Sophira's news post: in most cases the temperment of the dog is dependant on the temperment of the owner.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:57 pm

I can spikegirl7, and this is why. Some breeds are more violence-prone due to reasons besides environment. Yes, in most cases, a domesticated animal's violent attitudes are due to treatment of the animal. But not all. To even suggest that such is true is bizarre.

The majority of bite attacks are done by family dogs, by dogs who have never attacked a person before.

So, basically, you never know. Some breeds are more violent, some aren't, but they all could bite you. The numbers keep going up.

spikegirl7 · Post by **spikegirl7** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:52 pm

Have you ever owned a wolf dog? ever been around one? do you know even how WILD WOLVES act among their own pack? truth is, wolves are gentle animals (not to bunnies, bunnies are food). if you're a part of their pack, they will walk over hot coals (metaphorically) to avoid biting you. Has my dog ever bit me? Yes, by accident. I was holding a treat and he got my hand as well. However i don't count that because he didn't mean to and it wasn't an aggressive or menacing action, just a mistake. You've already seen a lot of posts just here that show sweet and loving wolf dogs. And one that showed a wolf dog INTENTIONALLY biting someone in order to eliminate what they thought was a threat to their pack member.

i have no doubt that wolf dogs are some of the gentlest on earth, and i couldn't ask for a better pet.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:35 pm

Yea..wolves are gentle.

They don't kill other wolves to ensure dominance in the pack or breeding rights. Oh wait, they do.

They don't steal cubs from other wolves to raise as thier own cubs. Oh wait, they do.

They don't keep weaker or wounded wolves from feeding until the others have had thier fill. Oh wait, they do.

etc etc

Please don't talk like you understand wolf behavior, because it's obvious you don't.

No doubt there are many sweet and loving dogs of every and any breed. That is not the issue here, but you are reverting to a logical fallacy to attempt to prove your point.

spikegirl7 · Post by **spikegirl7** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:55 pm

i'm speaking from what i have seen and encountered with these animals, it's pretty obvious that you haven't been around wolf dogs yourself. if it were possible, i would introduce you to mine, and (assuming that you pass an interview with me) i would be happy to sell you a wolf dog puppy so you could learn for yourself.

second, what you posted above as wolf behavior doesn't come across as mean or vicious to me. To me it only speaks more of their caring for the welfare of their pack. Wolves are SMART. REALLY smart. And i REALLY don't want to have to explain this more because if i do i'm gonna get majorly flamed. However if you insist i will. But please don't and trust me when i say that this behavior just shows how dedicated they are to their pack in the wild.

Bigity · Post by **Bigity** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:58 pm

So the things I mentioned are, in your opinon, gentle? Because it looks like that is just what you said.

Ah, ya know what. Who cares.

Yira Heerai · Post by **Yira Heerai** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:37 am

Wolves are usually fine if you leave them alone or if they're hungry. The rest is just simple pack mentality. Or maybe it's predator mentality. Either way, it's an animal instinct. It's not about mean or whatever. It's survival. It's not just wolves, it's other pack animals, too.

...And I can't help but think, "Humans have done all that too."

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