Seperation of Mind

[DontEatRawHagis]

I began to research(ie looking at Wikipedia) about teleportation and looked at theories that said that teleportation destroys the body at the original point and creates a copy with all the knowledge of the original after the molecules are reassembled. This brought to me the discussion of if we have the ability to create an exact copy of our selves, either through clones or through computer AI copies, would that copy be us? If I were to die and my mind was place into a computer program, does that program have the same "soul" as my body or is it another entity all together? Am I connected to my mind or my body(In this case the physical brain)?

[Jin-roh]

Carteian Dualists says "No."

Mind/Body Dualism is something that I've been struggling with for a long time.

[Skorpion]

You don't know until you try.

By far the best way is to do it piece by piece so you move into the new medium gently.

[spikegirl7]

if using the same molecules then yes, that is you. However if it's no the exact same molecules it is simply a copy that acts like you.

But that's just a theory. You'd have to test it to find out.

edit: on further thought this cannot be proven since the copy would have all the memories and personality traits. The copy would think it was you. So it's kinda hard to prove.

[Blaze]

Science has been pretty hard pressed to pin down the "spark of humanity" in people. That quality that makes them THEM. It's hard to say if an identical grouping of molecules would still be "you" or not.

I have to believe I'd be afraid to try it.

[DontEatRawHagis]

if using the same molecules then yes, that is you. However if it's no the exact same molecules it is simply a copy that acts like you.

But that's just a theory. You'd have to test it to find out.

edit: on further thought this cannot be proven since the copy would have all the memories and personality traits. The copy would think it was you. So it's kinda hard to prove.

Thats why its philisophical. Also you cant make something of the same exact molecules at least its theoretically impossible, now if your saying that the teleported person has the exact same molecules than yes I think it could be a good assumption that its the real person. But also take this into consideration if a person is clinically brain dead and then reawakens is that the same person. Its the same body and brain but the person was dead for however long, I havent read up on people who are brain dead so I dont know if its possible for someone to come "back to life" for lack of a better term.

[RadicalDreamer]

Just think... How many Captain Kirks WERE there in Star Trek?

[AzraeL]

The body is merely a biological machine used to keep the brain alive. You are not a special being with a unique spark, and neither would your clone. You would just be 2 identical twins, biologically identical down to the last atom. If you think of humans as very advanced robots, this question is easier to answer.

[Negative Polarity]

[quote="AzraeL";p="718476"]The body is merely a biological machine used to keep the brain alive. You are not a special being with a unique spark, and neither would your clone. You would just be 2 identical twins, biologically identical down to the last atom.[/quote]

QFT.

[Martin Blank]

[quote="AzraeL";p="718476"]The body is merely a biological machine used to keep the brain alive. You are not a special being with a unique spark, and neither would your clone. You would just be 2 identical twins, biologically identical down to the last atom.[/quote]
And yet the nature of quantum physics forces divergence because they cannot be identical, and therefore they will not always react identically.

[Blaze]

[quote="AzraeL";p="718476"]The body is merely a biological machine used to keep the brain alive. You are not a special being with a unique spark, and neither would your clone. You would just be 2 identical twins, biologically identical down to the last atom. If you think of humans as very advanced robots, this question is easier to answer.[/quote]

You have an interesting way of posting opinion as fact.

[DontEatRawHagis]

[quote="AzraeL";p="718476"]The body is merely a biological machine used to keep the brain alive. You are not a special being with a unique spark, and neither would your clone. You would just be 2 identical twins, biologically identical down to the last atom. If you think of humans as very advanced robots, this question is easier to answer.[/quote]

Nothing is the same even if it looks like it going down psycologically a clone will act like the original but isnt. If I had a clone that thought exactly like me in every way yet we lived in different places he would have different experiances(SP) this would mean that it is a new entity entirely. He may have the same history as me but his thoughts change with every event in his life.

If I made a clone of a four month old he would not be connected to the clone. It would be like having a twin with identical DNA, his finger print might be different though because the finger print is not hereditary it could be close but their would be anomolies between them(Not sure but I think the Print is made by the skin through forces inside the womb). The clone would be a twin.

It technically would be continuing my life if I die and my mind was placed into a clone but I would be dead and the clone would just have my thoughts and expiriances(SP again).

[random5]

This occured to me watching stargate and I came to the conclusion that if the whole thing was actually possible and existed I wouldn't go through because it would kill what is me, I wouldn't be the person who came out on the other side. So same deal with teleportation I just couldn't trust it! That's just my gut feeling but there's no way to test it. But then, you only really exist in the present, for all I know yesterday the real me was vaporised and I'm just a duplicate with the same memories.

[AzraeL]

[quote="Martin Blank";p="718483"]And yet the nature of quantum physics forces divergence because they cannot be identical, and therefore they will not always react identically.[/quote]

Subatomic physics is a tricky thing to argue, but as far as I know, we haven't identified all the potential forces being exerted on matter and engergy or their sources. I suppose for argument's sake, if you could simulate the situation exactly(parrallel universe?), you have successfully created Identical beings.

[quote="Blaze";p="718498"]

You have an interesting way of posting opinion as fact.[/quote]

I simply write in the affirmative to make it more concise. As far as science goes, they are the facts so far.

And as for Donteatrawhagis: I was talking about at the split second of it's creation.

Posted Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:38 pm:

By the wayDontEatRawHagis, putting (SP) after a word is not an excuse for not spending the 5 seconds it takes to look up the correct spelling.

[DontEatRawHagis]

[quote="AzraeL";p="718594"][quote="Martin Blank";p="718483"]And yet the nature of quantum physics forces divergence because they cannot be identical, and therefore they will not always react identically.[/quote]

Subatomic physics is a tricky thing to argue, but as far as I know, we haven't identified all the potential forces being exerted on matter and engergy or their sources. I suppose for argument's sake, if you could simulate the situation exactly(parrallel universe?), you have successfully created Identical beings.

[quote="Blaze";p="718498"]

You have an interesting way of posting opinion as fact.[/quote]

I simply write in the affirmative to make it more concise. As far as science goes, they are the facts so far.

And as for Donteatrawhagis: I was talking about at the split second of it's creation.

Posted Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:38 pm:

By the wayDontEatRawHagis, putting (SP) after a word is not an excuse for not spending the 5 seconds it takes to look up the correct spelling.[/quote]

Sorry about that.

Had something else to write but I think it got off topic as it was about the existance of reality. Ill rewrite it if people want.