[quote="minsx";p="722775"]Yeah that's the problem, sex ed is all fine and dandy (or not, as the case may be) but the earliest most people get it is Jr. High (and the earliest I got it was High School).
This is clearly not a failure of the Sex Ed. system, but I'd look long and hard at the parents.
P.S. I think the district handled it responsibly. Do you guys honestly think they SHOULD be screaming all the smarmy details to every media outlet? How would that help, exactly?[/quote]
Media outlets? I think parents should know, and the parents of the other students in the class.
Posted Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:11 am:
[quote="LQDMTL";p="722891"]This thread makes baby jesus cry.[/quote]
And your post makes SPACE cry.
6th graders have sex in class w/teacher present
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[quote="JudgeMental";p="722878"]
Blaze, I don't really consider abstinence to be a goal to aspire to; I think of it as common sense. [/quote]
Some people think never getting married is common sense (don't want to deal with divorce? Don't deal with marriage to begin with!)
Some people think guarding yourself so you never fall in love is common sense.
Some people think never having children is common sense.
Some people think giving yourself completely over to another human being in one of the greatest acts of intimacy, whether you're married to that person or not, is common sense.
Should we ship these people off to nunneries? NO. We should let them have their differing opinions and Jesus Christ on a cracker we should support them because they likely have some very good reasons for their views.
Common sense is knowing that letting a baby play with a razor blade is a very bad idea. Common sense is not holding off on sex until marriage if you never want to get married or you can't get married or you never want to give yourself up emotionally but still want to have a good time.
Blaze, I don't really consider abstinence to be a goal to aspire to; I think of it as common sense. [/quote]
Some people think never getting married is common sense (don't want to deal with divorce? Don't deal with marriage to begin with!)
Some people think guarding yourself so you never fall in love is common sense.
Some people think never having children is common sense.
Some people think giving yourself completely over to another human being in one of the greatest acts of intimacy, whether you're married to that person or not, is common sense.
Should we ship these people off to nunneries? NO. We should let them have their differing opinions and Jesus Christ on a cracker we should support them because they likely have some very good reasons for their views.
Common sense is knowing that letting a baby play with a razor blade is a very bad idea. Common sense is not holding off on sex until marriage if you never want to get married or you can't get married or you never want to give yourself up emotionally but still want to have a good time.
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Why isn't it?
Let's see..
No unwanted pregnancy
No STDs
Seems to make sense. Not the only way to achieve the results perhaps, but the only sure-fire way.
Let's see..
No unwanted pregnancy
No STDs
Seems to make sense. Not the only way to achieve the results perhaps, but the only sure-fire way.
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Perhaps 'common' was the wrong word, because for me by my values and worldview abstinence makes the same kind of sense as not jumping out of a airplane without a parachute. I know other people hold different values and worldviews. I DO NOT agree with many of them, but I do know they exist. But IF my values were more widely shared, then yes, I think abstinence would be common sense, not some kind of goal to aspire to.
I have some specific thought about recreational sex, but I'll have to type those out later.
Posted Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:12 pm:
And wocket, I actually disagree with what you're implying, but I'll have to address that later as well. I'm just trying to establish that no, my head is not up my ass.
I have some specific thought about recreational sex, but I'll have to type those out later.
Posted Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:12 pm:
And wocket, I actually disagree with what you're implying, but I'll have to address that later as well. I'm just trying to establish that no, my head is not up my ass.
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No, Bigity. Using protection if you want to have sex is common sense. Avoiding the sex you want to have in and of itself merely because of either moralism or fear of STDs/pregnancy isn't common sense, its going too far and into the realm of common nonsense.
Yes, even among perfect users, the failure rate for condoms isn't 0%, but its damn, damn close. And common sense isn't, necessarily, ever sticking only to the things that have 0% failure rates.
Yes, even among perfect users, the failure rate for condoms isn't 0%, but its damn, damn close. And common sense isn't, necessarily, ever sticking only to the things that have 0% failure rates.
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Wrong.
Common sense tells you the best way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is to not engage in activity that includes those risks. Period.
The fact you don't agree with that one possible behavior has nothing to do with it being common sense.
Common sense does also tell you that using protection is better than no protection, however.
Common sense tells you the best way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is to not engage in activity that includes those risks. Period.
The fact you don't agree with that one possible behavior has nothing to do with it being common sense.
Common sense does also tell you that using protection is better than no protection, however.
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I just don't like the implication that somebody who was witness to domestic violence, or a string of divorces, or just a really bad loveless marriage should never be able to experience sex because they don't want to go through something incredibly painful like that themselves.
Sex was made to be enjoyable. No, really. Did you not notice that it feels good? It also brings two people who are in love and have mutual respect for one another even closer together. That's why it's often called "taking the relationship to the next level". To deny someone of one of the most beautiful things in life is just cruel, especially since it might result in an unwanted pregnancy, or it might give you a disease.
Sex was made to be enjoyable. No, really. Did you not notice that it feels good? It also brings two people who are in love and have mutual respect for one another even closer together. That's why it's often called "taking the relationship to the next level". To deny someone of one of the most beautiful things in life is just cruel, especially since it might result in an unwanted pregnancy, or it might give you a disease.
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What are you even going on about?
I can't find a post where someone said sex is evil and shouldn't be enjoyed. Can you point that post out to me or are you just railing about something nobody here is arguing?
I can't find a post where someone said sex is evil and shouldn't be enjoyed. Can you point that post out to me or are you just railing about something nobody here is arguing?
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[quote="wocket";p="722933"]Some people think giving yourself completely over to another human being in one of the greatest acts of intimacy, whether you're married to that person or not, is common sense.[/quote]
While I think I get what you're generally trying to say, that sentence itself doesn't really make a lot of sense. "Some people think having sex is common sense." It just doesn't seem to work.
[quote="wocket";p="722943"]I just don't like the implication that somebody who was witness to domestic violence, or a string of divorces, or just a really bad loveless marriage should never be able to experience sex because they don't want to go through something incredibly painful like that themselves.[/quote]
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How are domestic violence and loveless relationships and a string of painful breakups exclusive to marriage? You certainly doesn't need to be married to go through that, and you DEFINITELY do not have to get married to experience great pain in relationships, and the pain and difficulty of break-ups only increases when you're also sexual partners...
[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="722940"]No, Bigity. Using protection if you want to have sex is common sense. Avoiding the sex you want to have in and of itself merely because of either moralism or fear of STDs/pregnancy isn't common sense, its going too far and into the realm of common nonsense.[/quote]
I don't know... Some people would say that avoiding deciding not to drive a car at 220 mph is common sense, while your logic would say that no, it's not. Instead, it would say that wearing a helmet and installing a roll cage first would be common sense. Or even simply not wrecking would be common sense... I think the point's just been overmuddled by now.
At the same time others say it takes a lot of the pleasure out of it for them, so...
While I think I get what you're generally trying to say, that sentence itself doesn't really make a lot of sense. "Some people think having sex is common sense." It just doesn't seem to work.
[quote="wocket";p="722943"]I just don't like the implication that somebody who was witness to domestic violence, or a string of divorces, or just a really bad loveless marriage should never be able to experience sex because they don't want to go through something incredibly painful like that themselves.[/quote]
...
How are domestic violence and loveless relationships and a string of painful breakups exclusive to marriage? You certainly doesn't need to be married to go through that, and you DEFINITELY do not have to get married to experience great pain in relationships, and the pain and difficulty of break-ups only increases when you're also sexual partners...
[quote="StruckingFuggle";p="722940"]No, Bigity. Using protection if you want to have sex is common sense. Avoiding the sex you want to have in and of itself merely because of either moralism or fear of STDs/pregnancy isn't common sense, its going too far and into the realm of common nonsense.[/quote]
I don't know... Some people would say that avoiding deciding not to drive a car at 220 mph is common sense, while your logic would say that no, it's not. Instead, it would say that wearing a helmet and installing a roll cage first would be common sense. Or even simply not wrecking would be common sense... I think the point's just been overmuddled by now.
Few people are perfect users. I think the consensus is that abstinence is 100% effective and has a 0% failure rate, but that if you're not going to be abstinent, if you are going to be fucking around, then at least you should be using protection so that you can reduce the risks involved--whether by 40% or 90%, it's still safer.Yes, even among perfect users, the failure rate for condoms isn't 0%, but its damn, damn close.
At the same time others say it takes a lot of the pleasure out of it for them, so...
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Blaze, I don't really consider abstinence to be a goal to aspire to; I think of it as common sense.
Quotes like that? Those are, pure and simple, "don't have sex before marriage" quotes. I could have misunderstood but I honestly don't think I did.Let's see..
No unwanted pregnancy
No STDs
Seems to make sense.
No, nobody said you shouldn't enjoy sex. But it was said that sex shouldn't be enjoyed outside of marriage. I am specifically addressing that and saying "what about people who do not ever want to get married?".
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My post was in response to the claim you made that abstinence isn't possibly common sense, which is flat out incorrect.
If you read either of those as some kind of attack against sex, well that's nothing I can help you with.
If you read either of those as some kind of attack against sex, well that's nothing I can help you with.
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wocket - Isn't this thread, and in fact all threads, for discussing opinion and point of view? Because I'm fairly sure any suggestions you can offer as to how to approach the situation, or any situation, are no more right or wrong than any other. Abstinence is VERY MUCH common sense to some people. It is, truly, the best way to avoid some of the problems inherent with sex.
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only if you very, very carefully define "effective" and "failure rate", and don't involve 'programs promoting abstinence' in the statistics. Plus, abstinence as a means of safe sex is kind of like not driving as a means of avoiding getting into a wreck.I think the consensus is that abstinence is 100% effective and has a 0% failure rate
Which would be a much more apt analogy to what I said previously than yours about speeding.
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