Did you hear about the new tanks for the French Army?
We didn't exactly LOSE the war of 1812 either.
We failed in our attempt to seize Canada, but we lost no Territory, and we succeded in forcing the British to stop pressing our sailors out of American ships. The Treaty of Ghent was a peace treaty, not a surrender. Whereas it didn't specifically make the British stop the practice of boarding, it was never an issue again. Simply put the War of 1812 made sure that british Men of War would never approach American ships lightly again.
We failed in our attempt to seize Canada, but we lost no Territory, and we succeded in forcing the British to stop pressing our sailors out of American ships. The Treaty of Ghent was a peace treaty, not a surrender. Whereas it didn't specifically make the British stop the practice of boarding, it was never an issue again. Simply put the War of 1812 made sure that british Men of War would never approach American ships lightly again.
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
Even if they had all the right in the world to retake their cowardly sailors 
"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrongdoing which will be imposed on them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
Look, I know that you're just being an dick, so why don't you take your trolling, and shove it up your gaping asshole.
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
How was that trolling? American vessels were being boarded to retake british sailors who had skipped off ship.
Oh, i see. It seems i just upset your delicate american-navy fanboyism!
Oh, i see. It seems i just upset your delicate american-navy fanboyism!
"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrongdoing which will be imposed on them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
Yeah, totally, because no one can see through the way that you phrased what you said. I'm just a Fanboy of the US Navy. Totally. 100%. Dead ON.
A.) The British did not then and do not now have the RIGHT to BOARD A UNITED STATES SHIP FOR ANY REASON.
B.) During these boardings more than just British deserters were taken, frequently American citizens were pressed into service in the Royal Navy.
C.) Yeah, you are SOOO right. I'm just a U.S. Navy fanboy.
GO America, ra ra ra.
Folks: Note the classic troll, Harsh, wrong, but related enough to the truth as to be defendable, when confronted he defends, as if to say "Look at Phong, he's over-reacting all I was saying was *truth*"
A.) The British did not then and do not now have the RIGHT to BOARD A UNITED STATES SHIP FOR ANY REASON.
B.) During these boardings more than just British deserters were taken, frequently American citizens were pressed into service in the Royal Navy.
C.) Yeah, you are SOOO right. I'm just a U.S. Navy fanboy.
GO America, ra ra ra.
Folks: Note the classic troll, Harsh, wrong, but related enough to the truth as to be defendable, when confronted he defends, as if to say "Look at Phong, he's over-reacting all I was saying was *truth*"
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
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tankkisankari
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I do agree with you, but it's only because of his repeated behavior in this particular manner, and he's done it towards me before, another example is the thread I started about Barry Bonds.
I've talked about historical wars on this forum quite alot, and I think everyone can agree that I'm very fair in my assesment. I do my best to present the historically acurate version of these wars very much trying not to let "Navy fanboyism" get in the way. I do not present America's intentions as 100% altruistic and good, I strive for a certain realistic approach when I discuss history. Most importantly, I do my best not to impune the honor of the men who served on either side of any war, unless it is clear (I would not defend Himler or Donitz).
War is a serious subject to me, and I feel that the men who fought and died should be honored, and their reasons for doing so not spoken of lightly, so I take it personally, and I do not feel inclined to put up with SunTzu's garbage (I think we can all agree that he spews alot of it.)
I've talked about historical wars on this forum quite alot, and I think everyone can agree that I'm very fair in my assesment. I do my best to present the historically acurate version of these wars very much trying not to let "Navy fanboyism" get in the way. I do not present America's intentions as 100% altruistic and good, I strive for a certain realistic approach when I discuss history. Most importantly, I do my best not to impune the honor of the men who served on either side of any war, unless it is clear (I would not defend Himler or Donitz).
War is a serious subject to me, and I feel that the men who fought and died should be honored, and their reasons for doing so not spoken of lightly, so I take it personally, and I do not feel inclined to put up with SunTzu's garbage (I think we can all agree that he spews alot of it.)
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
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tankkisankari
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He's spouting innacurate bullshit, how does this have a damn thing to do with my navy fanboyism?
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
If the american vessels would just have turned over the traitorous englishmen, there would have been no need for the british to be forced to board the american vessels.
I assume you understand why the british could not accept that any sailor that managed to get on board an american vessel was suddenly free of their debt to society, especially since alot of the british sailors were convicts, convicted to serving?
I assume you understand why the british could not accept that any sailor that managed to get on board an american vessel was suddenly free of their debt to society, especially since alot of the british sailors were convicts, convicted to serving?
"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrongdoing which will be imposed on them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
Are you even listening to what I'm saying? The incident started because when british Captains WERE allowed to search for deserters they were pressing US Citizens in addition to reclaiming deserters.
Do you think that US Ships just had the names of every single English deserter and could say "Oh, yep we have 5, here take them." There wasn't PICTURE ID back then. The british came aboard and expected anyone who THEY SAID were deserters to be handed over.
And, as a clarification people weren't sentanced to serving, when no able bodied free men could be found the Royal Navy press gangs swept the jails clean of everything from petty thefts to down on their luck debtors.
Do you think that US Ships just had the names of every single English deserter and could say "Oh, yep we have 5, here take them." There wasn't PICTURE ID back then. The british came aboard and expected anyone who THEY SAID were deserters to be handed over.
And, as a clarification people weren't sentanced to serving, when no able bodied free men could be found the Royal Navy press gangs swept the jails clean of everything from petty thefts to down on their luck debtors.
In the fall of 1972 President Nixon announced that the rate of increase of inflation was decreasing. This was the first time that a sitting president used the third derivative to advance his case for reelection. - Hugo Rossi, Mathmetician.
Im sure there were americans being pressed into service, i doubt it was a large number though.
I know there were loads of men who were offered either jailtime, or 2 years of service in the royal navy. Thats an undisputed fact.
I am quite sure most american captains could recognize the signs, when an english sailor wants to join up quitly, fast and with no fuss, at the same time as an english man of war entered the port.
It was not rare for british ships to have hideyholes for deserters.
I know there were loads of men who were offered either jailtime, or 2 years of service in the royal navy. Thats an undisputed fact.
I am quite sure most american captains could recognize the signs, when an english sailor wants to join up quitly, fast and with no fuss, at the same time as an english man of war entered the port.
It was not rare for british ships to have hideyholes for deserters.
"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrongdoing which will be imposed on them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
-- Frederick Douglas, 1857
[quote="Skorpion";p="521996"]
Then the head started coming off, so I just left it rammed into a stump.[/quote]
[quote="HTRN";p="636198"]Yes, but remember the most aggressive and adventurous of European rootstock came to America - the Timid stayed home.
Part of the reason why America has done better militarily the last 200 years.
HTRN[/quote]
That's weird because I thought the Europeans had the Napoleonic wars, the Franco-Prussian war, and the first and the second world war. That's a lot of bloody conflicts for timid people.
Part of the reason why America has done better militarily the last 200 years.
HTRN[/quote]
That's weird because I thought the Europeans had the Napoleonic wars, the Franco-Prussian war, and the first and the second world war. That's a lot of bloody conflicts for timid people.
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