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SothThe69th · Post by **SothThe69th** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 4:20 am

Goku Goku Goku, when will you learn to recognize the colloqialisms of the web?

Grumlen · Post by **Grumlen** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:58 am

People can still think for themselves? WTF? I thought we got rid of that bad habit 50 years ago.

boogle · Post by **boogle** » Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:30 am

I've just seen the light and realised something, who cares what colour Jesus was?
Does it really matter? If people hold a grudge against what colour he was then that's like knocking on the door and asking 'is racism is home?'. Unfortunately there will always be people like that. Fortunately, however they'll probably never know what he looked like so people can choose to see him anyway they want to and people won't become angered because Jesus 'Wasn't their favourite colour'.

Mr.Shroom · Post by **Mr.Shroom** » Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:24 am

Well, actually, you can blame that issue on a group of people known as 'iconoclasts', who belived any artwork or design of catholic figures went against deep set religious roots, and that people eventually began to worship these items rather than the ideals itself.

Thus many of the 'original' designs of Jesus and various other figures were destoyed, and eventually after the iconoclastic revolution faded, people began to redraw these figures...but having nothing to go off of, mostly, these religious figures began to look like whoever drew them.

Its really a historical question, and a curiosity for the ages. Anyone who trys to tell you otherwise is most likely using a sensitive subject to fuel the fires of their own private primary issues (racism, class changes, ect) rather than really giving a damn about what color Jesus' pigments were.

countrygirl · Post by **countrygirl** » Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:38 pm

Why does it matter what color Jesus was?

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:24 pm

[quote="countrygirl";p="101440"]Why does it matter what color Jesus was?[/quote]
I would like him to be purple. Maybe even green. Something totally off the wall.

Why? Because, then no particular racial group would be able to say "hey! He is ours!"

countrygirl · Post by **countrygirl** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:38 pm

He's everyone's not just one group. EVERYONE CAN HAVE HIM!!!!!

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:03 pm

Countrygirl: it is a matter of historical rather than theological interest. The same reason it amtters what Julius Caesar said, or what Napoleon's family life was like.

sergio · Post by **sergio** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:21 pm

Or the desserts I like!

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 9:52 am

Jesus was a native jew born in Israel. He was the same color as all the other native jews in that area. But that doesn't matter in the least. Ignore the pictures of Jesus you see, they mean nothing.

It is my opinion that Jesus truly was the son of God, but then I also believe we are ALL sons and daughters of God, all born with infinite power which we refuse to believe in or accept because we are trapped in the illusion of a physical world. The big bang which created the physical universe may very well have been caused by the first sin, or seperation from God. Or perhaps God created the physical world simply to entertain Himself.

I believe Jesus was the first and only man to live out his entire life without sinning once. I believe he was born from a virgin (Mary was a virtuous woman and would never cheat on her husband) and that he had a much more powerful soul than other men. This allowed him to talk to God and to perform miracles, which are written of in the Bible.

Jesus allowed misunderstandings about his teachings to spread, making no effort to save himself. He cared little for himself, and so much for everyone else. His death was God's way of trying to get our attention even though we cannot hear Him.

There are really only two ways to interpret it. Either the Bible is a collection of true stories written by men infused with the holy spirit, OR it is just interesting fiction. I refuse to believe the latter, because what other motivation would men have for writing it, other than the telling of a true and wonderful story?

Is the entire Bible a metaphor? I find it unlikely, seeing as there are proven historical events woven into it as well. Jesus uses many parables in his teachings, but this does not mean that everything in the Bible is a parable.

What happens when you die? One of two things, I like to speculate:

1. your spirit recombines with God and you lose your individuality. All your memories and experiences transfer over to God. This is a wonderful feeling, better than any heaven the human mind can imagine... to be one with God forever.

2. if you die without overcoming your sinful nature, you are reincarnated as a newborn baby on Earth. Some people would say "no, you go to hell and burn for eternity" but personally I think that compared to heaven, this world IS hell. I think this is what the Bible meant by hell. And considering how difficult it is to refrain from sinning, we could all be here for a VERY long time.

Nothing ever stays the same. Things are always moving either one way or the other. Positive and negative, up and down, the very atoms of your body are VIBRATING right now. You are not truly solid. Your soul is constantly changing as well, for the better or for the worse. The question is, are you gradually becoming more holy, or are you gradually becoming more selfish?

Compare life and death to the scientific laws of conservation. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. In the same way, God cannot be created or destroyed. He is infinite, but he can never be infinite+1. He simply IS. We are children of God, but we were not created. God broke off infinitely tiny pieces of Himself to make us, just as He broke off Adam's rib to create Eve. Certainly He doesn't want to doom parts of Himself to hell forever. So rather than face eternal doom, we get recycled and live again, perhaps making the same mistakes, perhaps not. Anyone who thinks an all-loving God is really capable of the infinitely horrible sort of cruel and unusual punishment we all imagine would make for a VERY bad parent.

Those are my thoughts, but don't be upset by them or feel you need to correct me. I may talk the talk, but I have not even the faith of a mustard seed.

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 12:40 pm

[quote="Shyknight";p="104289"]The big bang which created the physical universe may very well have been caused by the first sin, or seperation from God. Or perhaps God created the physical world simply to entertain Himself.[/quote]
Interesting theory. I like it. Thank you for sharing it.

[quote="Shyknight";p="104289"]There are really only two ways to interpret it. Either the Bible is a collection of true stories written by men infused with the holy spirit, OR it is just interesting fiction. I refuse to believe the latter, because what other motivation would men have for writing it, other than the telling of a true and wonderful story?[/quote]
Actually, three ways, I prefer the last one. You can accept is as a collection of stories written from one point of view of a set of events, and take it as a singular accounting of what happened, not an absolute account. Being written, and translated, my humans it is flawed and much be interpreted individually for meaning.

[quote="Shyknight";p="104289"]What happens when you die? One of two things, I like to speculate:

1. your spirit recombines with God and you lose your individuality. All your memories and experiences transfer over to God. This is a wonderful feeling, better than any heaven the human mind can imagine... to be one with God forever.

2. if you die without overcoming your sinful nature, you are reincarnated as a newborn baby on Earth. Some people would say "no, you go to hell and burn for eternity" but personally I think that compared to heaven, this world IS hell. I think this is what the Bible meant by hell. And considering how difficult it is to refrain from sinning, we could all be here for a VERY long time.[/quote]
Ack! I don't like either option! Can't I just stay in Purgatory and refuse to come back? Purgatory is better than here.

[quote="Shyknight";p="104289"]Compare life and death to the scientific laws of conservation. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. In the same way, God cannot be created or destroyed. He is infinite, but he can never be infinite+1. He simply IS. We are children of God, but we were not created. God broke off infinitely tiny pieces of Himself to make us, just as He broke off Adam's rib to create Eve. Certainly He doesn't want to doom parts of Himself to hell forever. So rather than face eternal doom, we get recycled and live again, perhaps making the same mistakes, perhaps not. Anyone who thinks an all-loving God is really capable of the infinitely horrible sort of cruel and unusual punishment we all imagine would make for a VERY bad parent.[/quote]
Like the ideas, thanks for sharing. Kinda not wanting your options on death to be true given I do not like either of those options.

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:07 pm

You don't want to go to heaven? Because that's what option #1 is really, if you ask most Christians. Why don't you want to become part of God? It's because you're still a SINNER, duh! Like myself and the rest of the human race. Nobody really wants to lose their individuality, even in exchange for eternal love and bliss. They want to feel important all by themselves. In terms of spirituality, that in itself is a sin.

i just KNOW Ayn Rand is going to rise from her grave and smite me for this.

Dj Nautinto · Post by **Dj Nautinto** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 5:55 pm

I know this is starting to be my trademark post, but this whole thing reminds me of south park, especially that one episode where all these people where entering hell and they were told what the real choice was (to get to heaven I mean). And if I'm correct it was the mormon way.

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:06 pm

Heh, I don't believe any one way is the 'right' way. Most of what the Bible teaches is just common sense that people choose to ignore.

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:12 pm

Well, then, fuck it. I like being me. I'd rather go to hell than cease to exist.

By the way, life isn't hell. I like life. It's all in how you take it.

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