Anti-Bible

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:30 pm

"I'd rather go to hell than cease to exist."

it's impossible for you to cease existing. being one with God is not the same as ceasing to exist, not even close. It's quite the opposite.

"Well, then, fuck it. I like being me."

I TOTALLY agree with you.

"By the way, life isn't hell. I like life. It's all in how you take it."

While that's true to some extent, you have to realize there ARE places God could make, being omnipotent, that would make life on Earth look pretty crappy. I see spiritual advancement as occuring in layers, where EVENTUALLY you become one with God, but in between that time and your earthly life, you live many weird and wonderful spiritual lives, each teaching you more than the previous one. Sort of like, we're seeing in only three dimensions, when there are infinite to be seen.

Kuronekosama · Post by **Kuronekosama** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:10 pm

Ok, I'd just like to direct everyone to the book 1984 by George Orwell. I'm actually not referencing it in regard to "Big Brother," more of the rewriting history that takes place in it. Really the bible is just a book. There are no firsthand accounts that validate the information contained and the whole thing could very well be almost completely fiction. Certainly historians have verified pieces, but there is no way it can be said definitively that it is complete fact in a fashion that everyone would agree on. Certainly many believe every word is true, and it very well may be. However hardly any of it could be correct and that could be the case as well. Nobody has definite proof, and so this arguement will last unto eternity between believers and non-believers. Heck, what about the Koran, or Torah? Are those any less true or false?

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:22 pm

I haven't read the Qu'ran, but the Torah is just a modified version of the Old Testament.

You are right in saying that nothing written in the Bible can be proven true. It really is what you decide to believe. After all, the book is thousands of years old and has changed hands a lot, possibly being 'edited' by those wishing to play God.

Post by **Martin Blank** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:24 am

Other way around.

The Torah was around before the Old Testament was constructed. In addition, the Torah has no official translations in use, and is substantially identical to what has been used for the past few thousand years. This has been proven through archaeological recoveries of Hebrew texts that are identical to what is used now.

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:49 am

*is enlightened*

millionknives · Post by **millionknives** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:37 pm

"I'd rather go to hell than cease to exist."

havn't you ever seen dogma?
have you ever been to hell...i'd rather not exist then go back there

amlthrawn · Post by **amlthrawn** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:55 pm

Thou hath necroposted. The wrath of the forum is now upon ye!

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 2:46 pm

it's just millionknives. We all know he is a dimwit. Just ignore him, the rest of us do.

Aether · Post by **Aether** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:01 pm

Concerning the Bible in general, I think that it really can't be considered a historical document. I mean, think about how many times it's been translated and re-translated over the years. Even given that there actually was some original, correct Bible I can't believe that no one has changed it (either accidentally or on purpose) over the course of hundreds of years. Incidentally, this is why many arguments by dedicated Christians don't make sense, such as anti-evolution (but that's another argument) (but one I'd love to argue).

ChronoSword · Post by **ChronoSword** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:28 pm

as for anti-evolution it is possible to combine the bible with evolution.
As for errors, there is some, they correct the errors by using the oldest documents available (ie Codex Vanticanus). Barring the extreme translations, (where a specific group changes the bible to fit their own needs) most of the translations conform. As for historical events, for the most part they are in line with the other non-Christian sources. I am counting non-religious stuff here, like invasions and the such. As for Jesus, he was an actual person which is verified by Roman historians, Tacitus and Suetonius, and Jewish historian, Josephus. As for his his nature as a deity, the only evidence is the bible, so it is up to a matter of faith whether or not to believe that he was God. The Muslims believed that Jesus was a prophet, but not a God. They changed that "fact" becuase they could see their almighty Allah as a lowly human. So this discussion will never be solved until the end comes.

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