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Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Wed May 14, 2003 1:05 pm

thank you, radicaledward

Nekra · Post by **Nekra** » Wed May 14, 2003 1:47 pm

goofus? Imperator Severn thats a little unfair, i'm neither a christian nor somebody who wishes to quote religios scriptures. you have the mistaken beleif that just because you know the religious texts of one religion so well that the rest of us should instantly be aware of it.
well news flash for you life doesn't work that way.

if you would like i could discus my religion with you and see if you oculd keep up, i very much doubt it, and chances are you might end up with a splitting headache. most people do.

FrostFire · Post by **FrostFire** » Wed May 14, 2003 2:24 pm

weeee....

Jesus: Yes, he was a historical figure, most likely a jewish rabbi, and great teacher. Anything else you care to believe about him is a matter of faith. For the sake of the new testiment bible, it does not matter what color his skin was as long as it wasnt purple with red stripes.

Religion in general: To quote the phliosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, "God is dead, and we have killed him." I think this is something to remember when thinking about organized religion. WHY? because every religion has done, or has had something done in thier name, that they would love to be removed from history. It dont matter what the tenats of the religion are, someone has broken them in the name of the religion. Organized relion is a crutch of the masses to feel better about themselves. I know people who go to church on sundays because they are afraid that if they miss one day that god will send them to hell... however, he is all-forgiving so that he will forgive them for cheating on their taxes, or sleeping around, or any other sin they want to committ. I also know people who do not attend any church and have more faith in god than I am willing to question. Belief and Faith are what is necessary, not some strict set of rules. Another great quote* from Confucius Theory is: "You are unable to relate to your fellow man, what makes you think you can relate to a higher being."*
(* not an exact quote, but i know it is close)

Beliefs vs Ideas: Dogma is a great movie. Watch it. Worship Kevin Smith.

Other random quotes I deem relavent:
"It brings peace and love! Break its legs!"
-Lenny "the simpsons"
"I think Christianity is wonderful, I would be one if more Christians acted like Christians"
-Gandi

I like the idea of a "american religion" Mr.Shroom, you say that it may not be original... know of any works about such an idea, or are you prefacing it to make sure your not stealing from someone later.

radicaledward · Post by **radicaledward** » Wed May 14, 2003 4:46 pm

I tottaly agree with frostfire

Nice quote from Ghandi

Mr.Shroom · Post by **Mr.Shroom** » Wed May 14, 2003 5:35 pm

Buddhists have been killing eachother for millennia. Why do you think the chinese used to be so advanced in the art of war?

Chinese people who may or may not HAPPEN to be Buddhist have killed each other, but NOT in the name of RELIGION. Which was my point. Their RELIGIOUS protests have killed THEMSELVES, but never waged war with conversion or purity of faith in mind. The religious leaders, that is. I've NEVER heard or read of ANY Buddhist terrorist.

Every religion kills its a part of life. The buddhist don't kill in hatred they kill in protest or for a good damn reason(and i don't care what you say there can be a good reason to kill). It was wrong to kill but the Buddha himself made wrong sinful decisions. and the buddhist faith was created in India! the chinese have many religions including christianity and the indians havn't been a very horabbly violent country.

...I am REALLY convinced that about half the time you have no factual clue on the subjects you talk about, Ed. I'm sorry, but it REALLY seems that way. And Siddhartha made sinfull and wrong decisions BEFORE he became 'the enlightened one'...hence the NAME CHANGE TO 'THE ENLIGHTENED ONE'.

And as for your comments on India and China...go read a history book on that era. PLEASE. NOW.

I'd comment on ChronoSword's comments, but it'd be more to point out that such comments could be easily debated to the otherwise, not a statement of a difference of opinion.

And Nietzsche meant that more to point out the same issues adressed in the movie 'Dogma', rather than disavow the existance of God: That by focusing more on the difference of opinion than the concept itself, we have missed the point and gotten away from the point of religion.

And on the concept of the 'American Religion', I stated it thus to emphasise it as an gathered opinion of my personal truth construct, neither as a copywrited warning or plagurised confession. And yes, I can, but you wouldn't read them. No offense, but I can already gather that you just wouldn't like it.

SothThe69th · Post by **SothThe69th** » Wed May 14, 2003 5:56 pm

Nekra, foolish mortal, wrote:If you would like I could discuss my religion with you and see if you could keep up, I very much doubt it, and chances are you might end up with a splitting headache. Most people do.

Try us.

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Wed May 14, 2003 6:18 pm

[quote="SothThe69th";p="74566"]

Nekra, foolish mortal, wrote:If you would like I could discuss my religion with you and see if you could keep up, I very much doubt it, and chances are you might end up with a splitting headache. Most people do.

Try us.[/quote]
I must concur. I am curious to hear this religion as well.

Mr.Shroom · Post by **Mr.Shroom** » Wed May 14, 2003 8:05 pm

[quote="Nekra";p="74340"]if you would like i could discus my religion with you and see if you oculd keep up, i very much doubt it, and chances are you might end up with a splitting headache. most people do.[/quote]

I'll probably only get a headache if its anything like that Electromagnetic Wave Cult posted about in the Political forum.

FrostFire · Post by **FrostFire** » Thu May 15, 2003 6:44 am

Mr. Shrrom, I think you misunderstand me. I very much tried to convey the same point that you made about my post. Furthermore, I would very much like to hear or read on expansion on the idea of an 'American Religion.' not trying to belittle you into an addmission of wrongdoing. I would very much like for such an expansion, and i would very much read whatever you wrote, though i can make no promisses about liking it.

sorry for any misunderstanding,
-Frosty

radicaledward · Post by **radicaledward** » Thu May 15, 2003 1:03 pm

And Siddhartha made sinfull and wrong decisions BEFORE he became 'the enlightened one'...hence the NAME CHANGE TO 'THE ENLIGHTENED ONE'.

that's kind of what i was trying to say.
he made wrong and sinful decisions and then still became THE ENLIGHTENED ONE.

Imperator Severn · Post by **Imperator Severn** » Thu May 15, 2003 1:09 pm

goofus? Imperator Severn thats a little unfair

Now, had I said, "You stupid bastard," this wouldn't be as funny as it is.

So, in keeping with precedent, I hereby say, "NEENER."

Thank you, that is all.

YH · Post by YH » Thu May 15, 2003 1:33 pm

Every religion always seems to be twisted into another form nowadays, usually in the way Mr.Shroom said, by disregarding the entire point of the religion... Buddhism (especially in China, they actually gods/Buddist figures, which is rather contradictory to it's original concept), Taoism (originally a good philosophy, now for some reason it has all this divine crap)... although some part of the spirit behind Christianity seems to have been preserved well (there are good Christians, of course) , but on the whole it is starting to fade away as well.

Anyone here watch "Monty Python: Life of Brian"? It's another anti-organized religion movie, with all the MP quirks you would see... but it makes great fun poking at the masses who misunderstand religion.

I've been wanting to add my 2 cents, but I didn't know where to begin. Blah.

I would also like to hear more about this "America" religion as well. Does it have to do with the inclusion of religion into government, or something along the lines of that?

Mr.Shroom · Post by **Mr.Shroom** » Thu May 15, 2003 3:19 pm

he made wrong and sinful decisions and then still became THE ENLIGHTENED ONE.

But he didn't KILL anyone (more sloth, wastefullness, ect...the self-centered ones)...and that STILL doesn't make ANY connection to your arguement that 'Every religion kills its a part of life' and your totally off-the-wall and misguided comment that 'the chinese have many religions including christianity and the indians havn't been a very horabbly violent country'.

So, in keeping with precedent, I hereby say, "NEENER."

Seconded.

they actually gods/Buddist figures, which is rather contradictory to it's original concept

The god figures are regarded as 'aspects' of truth, made corporial for better understanding. 'Buddisht' figures are akin to Christian saints and teachers.

Taoism (originally a good philosophy, now for some reason it has all this divine crap)

I assume you mean the 'Hollywood Taoism'. Yes...but since that requires money, usually, for advancement and are really 'classes', its regarded as pseudoreligion.

although some part of the spirit behind Christianity seems to have been preserved well

Yeah, you're right.

Their called JEWS. Sheesh.

I would also like to hear more about this "America" religion as well. Does it have to do with the inclusion of religion into government, or something along the lines of that?

Don't let the emotional semantical biases that come with the word 'religion' throw you off. Its more of an 'accepted ideal' of tolerance, really, that replaces the 'state religion' that various other succesfull nations\republics have used in the past. Its an improvement over the concept. It PREVENTS religion going into government inorder to prevent the fallacies that occur under governments ruled under a religion. Namely, religious wars, to be blunt. You can't be democratic and discuss religion as well as you can diplomacy, but you can't unify a nation without having some core belief structure.

For America, the core idea is that 'all forms of ideas, religions, and opinons should be respected, as long as those ideas, expressions, and opinions do not attempt to harm or cause chaos upon the lives of others', and it is generally agreed that if you DON'T agree with that, you aren't a good American or a good person IN THIS nation. By doing that, we've created a core belief structure that will not put off any other nations that have different religious structures that may/may not be based upon their government.

And as I've stated before, the only item SO FAR that this hasn't protected us against is nations that do not agree that all religions and ideas should be tolerated or even discussed. In the case of the current Muslamic teachings, its more discussion and in some cases flat out intolerance. Thats an issue that still needs to be adressed.

hell_monkey5623 · Post by **hell_monkey5623** » Tue May 20, 2003 2:09 am

Jesus was a liberal!

And frankly, I don't trust the Bible, because everyone has to revise it to bash some minority. If I want answers, or morals, I use my noodle.

Besides, there are so many different versions of the damn book. Thing to point out: The Bible was an assesment of stories and letters. That's it. And there was only one. No one says, "The good Book's". No. It's "The good book". Plain and simple.

Mr.Shroom · Post by **Mr.Shroom** » Wed May 21, 2003 5:37 pm

If you really used your noodle, you'd read ALL of them, just to get a different point of view. And then make a concept.

And I'm not even going to say how hilarious that link was.

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