17 Schoolgirls make "pregnancy pact."

[collegestudent22]

When I went through sex education in school they sent a form home with me for my parent's consent. To me, that is the smart thing to do. If my parents (Catholic) didn't want me learning about it through school they could have said "no."

See, but not all schools do that. My parents had to fight with two different school administrations in order to get me out of the class so that they could teach me in their own fashion. A form asking parent's consent is a much better way to go about it. In fact, it is the best way, considering the alternatives.

You want to talk about outdated?

Christianity, creationism, etc.

So, my beliefs are outdated because I mentioned that my bio class in high school consisted of experiments to back up its statements on evolution, experiments that had been proven false by other evolutionist scientists. While I may not agree with the current form of the theory of evolution and believe it still has holes that may be there because it is wrong or because it just is not a perfected theory yet, it wouldn't invalidate my beliefs even if it is true. So why are my beliefs outdated? Just because you do not share them?

[Terrene]

Cs22, do you have some particular hatred for sexual organs, or have you shied away from knowing about all your body parts?

Knowledge is power, dipstick.

[collegestudent22]

Cs22, do you have some particular hatred for sexual organs, or have you shied away from knowing about all your body parts?

Knowledge is power, dipstick.

No. I know the biology involved. I just don't think it is all that necessary to teach to high schoolers. And I think that if the parents want to do their own sex ed, they should have the option to opt out of the class.

[Hirschof]

Are all experiments outdated? Many failed theories and experiments are taught because they show how they opened doors to new experiments and theories. Proving something wrong opens up knowledge about something else. This has been consistent throughout modern history.

I say your beliefs are outdated because there are a ton of holes in it and the only answer to fill those holes people come up with is "God." Plus your talking two millenniums of manipulation, contradiction, and arguing of stories that were written down after being passed along by word.

But none of this matters. What matters is that not every family have the same beliefs or thought processes and there should be options within schools. Birth control, with parent consent, at schools should be allowed and sex education, with parent's consent, should be allowed. You don't like it? It goes against God, Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.? Well fine, don't fucking allow your kid to be involved with it.

But saying sex education doesn't help is bullshit. I learned much more from the sex education classes on disease and protection more then from my parents. My parents did a good job but the school offered more detailed information. So aside from the amount of knowledge available you add on reinforcement.

[collegestudent22]

Are all experiments outdated? Many failed theories and experiments are taught because they show how they opened doors to new experiments and theories. Proving something wrong opens up knowledge about something else. This has been consistent throughout modern history.

I was referring to a specific one, although there were a few others that were also proven wrong, but still in the textbooks, which said they were right. I am not saying that it is wrong, just that teaching kids using outdated information is wrong.

I say your beliefs are outdated because there are a ton of holes in it and the only answer to fill those holes people come up with is "God."

Again, a matter of opinion.

But none of this matters. What matters is that not every family have the same beliefs or thought processes and there should be options within schools. Birth control, with parent consent, at schools should be allowed and sex education, with parent's consent, should be allowed. You don't like it? It goes against God, Zeus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.? Well fine, don't fucking allow your kid to be involved with it.

As long as the bolded part is true, I agree with sex ed. But birth control.... maybe in limited access, like going through the nurse's office or something. Easy access makes it easier for children to do something against the parent's wishes.

But saying sex education doesn't help is bullshit. I learned much more from the sex education classes on disease and protection more then from my parents. My parents did a good job but the school offered more detailed information. So aside from the amount of knowledge available you add on reinforcement.

I never said that. I know it helps. I just think that parents should have that choice.

[JermCool]

But saying sex education doesn't help is bullshit. I learned much more from the sex education classes on disease and protection more then from my parents. My parents did a good job but the school offered more detailed information. So aside from the amount of knowledge available you add on reinforcement.

Just a note: My sex-ed experience was nothing like that. It was the "mechanics" of the thing, and we were done.

They may have glanced over contraception, but I don't remember it. All the smart practices I learned were from my parents who sat me down and talked to me about it.

[wocket]

My school's sex-ed program consisted of some blatant falsehoods (condoms fail up to 30% of the time, with proper use? Really?), and a lot of scare tactics. I'm grateful my parents took my education into their own hands on this count - they never actually sat me down and talked about anything, but they left informational pamphlets and Dr. Ruth books where I could find them, and let me know they were there for me if I had any questions about what I read. It was a nice way to sidestep the awkward "oh jesus christ I'm talking to my parents about sex" feeling.

[StruckingFuggle]

For everyone who says it should be the choice or responsibility of the parents, what happens when parents fail in that responsibility or choose not to pass on the education? What should happen?

[JermCool]

If you're expecting me to say the school should take up the slack, you will be disappointed.

[StruckingFuggle]

Well, that would be my stance, but no. I was wondering what yours was.

[JermCool]

Schools have no obligation (and in my mind, no right) to try and pass on morality. And if they try and that conflicts with the parents, who should win out?

[StruckingFuggle]

So sex ed is nothing more than "passing on morality"...?

[wocket]

...Whoever the kid agrees with? These are teenagers we're talking about. They've passed the age of reason and can make at least some of their own decisions.

[adciv]

If they've passed the age of reason, then how come they can't vote, drink, smokes, buy a gun or do a variety of other things?

And why is it that a school can pass out birth control, without a parents consent, but can not even give out an aspirin without permission?

[wocket]

...What schools have you been to that give out condoms but not aspirin? I've never heard of any system that operated that way. Our school was able to give out basic painkillers and even some antihistamines without a call home, but they did not give out prophylactics. Most schools in the area were like that. The ones I knew of that DID give out condoms also were able to give out basic meds without parental permission.

Also, who says I agree with the minimum age requirements on the activities you've listed?