Obama vs. McCain: Thoughts?

[Accer]

You may know what the viewpoint is, but you won't understand it, why and how they came to it, without the reasoning behind it.

That is a totally different statement from what I quoted. Likewise Deacon's statement has nothing to do with the line I quoted.

[StruckingFuggle]

You are a giant, throbbing cock with a superiority complex.

He may be, he may not be, it's irrelevant and you're a jackass, he's also fairly right. Maybe - and I say this will all implication that the "maybe" is "most likely definitely" - the difficulty in understanding - adciv's absurd inanities being nothing more than, well, absurd and inane - is on your part, either a problem of raw capability or bias. You're a giant, relatively closed-minded dick, as your behavior is rather boldly neon in its illustration, as simple and straightforward and empty as a Thomas Kinkaid painting.

Though Thorsmen, I think you may have mistaken Deacon's initial comment for a different meaning of "understand", that still doesn't justify Deacon's, or brook any readily apparent explanation for it beyond speaking - shouting - his dickitude, and reinforcing my suspicion that other meanings of 'understanding' might be within his intellectual capacity ... but he's so hung up on bias and hate that both it actually likely ISN'T possible for him to even really understand, even if he bothered, which he's not going to.

Also, Accer, good catch and drat you for beating me to it. :p



And, yeah. I can easily understand how I'd be hard to agree with, but I don't see how my ideas can be hard to understand.

As for how I hold them, well, understanding that is like Go - simple on the surface, but not really. Simply put, I hold different values than you. I wonder if you have the same almost 'violent' reaction to nonunderstanding with other people who have different values, though. As for the deeper bit, I can't really explain that one - if it was easy to know how people construct their values, though, well ... the world would likely be a different place.

You're as much a mystery and a disliked value system to me as I am to you, Deacon. The difference is I can usually muster a measure of civility and grace.



And now that I've had a chance to speak in my own case... Thorsman - thank you for your words, but I think now's the time to leave him to his jackassery, much like leaving others to their delusions, this isn't producing anything but needless bile and further ... insulation, for the well-insulated wrongheadedness of some people.

[adciv]

You may know what the viewpoint is, but you won't understand it, why and how they came to it, without the reasoning behind it.

That is a totally different statement from what I quoted. Likewise Deacon's statement has nothing to do with the line I quoted.

But if you don't agree with his reasoning, then you don't understand the viewpoint.

Seems compatible to me. You need to know the reasoning to understand the viewpoint. Agreeing with the reasoning means understanding the reasoning and accepting that it is valid and has no flaws or contradictions. If it has a flaw or contradiction, then you disagree with the reasoning.

[Deacon]

I'm hung up on hate. Oh, and bias. Not reason.

[Seir]

Oh and Seir, I'm not the least bit ashamed that I defended someone's right to a delusion that he could throw fireballs. We all have our delusions, it's just that your delusion of "eating the body of Christ" and "drinking the blood of Christ" is more socially acceptable. Others will recognize your right to your delusions if you recognize their right to theirs, regardless of what you think of said delusions. Heck, I know people who feel they're reincarnations of famous people. I may think they're deluded, but at least I recognize their right to have their delusion.

Seir, TL;DR Stop bringing up the same old incidents from two years ago. I've moved past them, it's time you did as well.

Oh yes, which was also the same incident where you bitched and moaned about respecting other people's beliefs yet you take every chance you can at making potshots at Christians. Hypocrite much?

And I'll move on when you move on from being a pretentious asshole.

[StruckingFuggle]

Oh yes, which was also the same incident where you bitched and moaned about respecting other people's beliefs yet you take every chance you can at making potshots at Christians. Hypocrite much?

No, he's not. Look back at what you quoted, he said he respects the right to hold such beliefs, not that he respects the beliefs. The right to a belief, and the belief itself, are rather different things.

[Deacon]

Fuggle can shoot fireballs and make sense.

[StruckingFuggle]

If anything, Seir's the hypocrite for mocking a guy for believing he can shoot fireballs, but being, if I remember, a Catholic, and intolerant of his own beliefs being thought of vocally as he vocally thought of the fireball-thrower's beliefs.

ANYWAY, yes, I can and do make sense, and if you're not just having a lark, and really don't get something as simple as my previous post, well... you just keep making a better and better case for the fault being on your end. But if you ask nicely I'll break it down for you.

[Deacon]

I would like to file a complaint about your condescending tone. I feel condescended to by you, and that is unacceptable.

[Deacon]

You know, I was just watching D.L. Hughley on CNN, and he had Jesse Jackson Jr. on (thankfully not nearly as nuts as his dad), and it dawned on me that there's an amazing amount of silence on the part of the flamboyant black attention-seekers and camera-chasers out there. Where are the words of congratulations and the sweeping orations from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? The dude's already elected, no more chance of an October surprise, so where are the speeches of "hope" for "change" by Obama's spiritual leader for the last 20-odd years, Jeremiah Wright? It's over. No more need to distance themselves. So, with this loudly reiterated "historical" election, why are these spotlight hounds suddenly locked in their rooms with the blinds drawn?

[Deacon]

Oop. Spoke too soon. Larry King, the oldest and most overrated interviewer ever, had Jesse Jackson on to talk about how Obama's election was a personal victory for him and how it's a non-violent revolution.

[Thorsman]

Oh yes, which was also the same incident where you bitched and moaned about respecting other people's beliefs yet you take every chance you can at making potshots at Christians. Hypocrite much?

Bullshit Seir. I'm not sitting here having a go at Christians constantly. You like to feel threatened by the mere fact that I'm not Christian. Not quite the same thing.

And I'll move on when you move on from being a pretentious asshole.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! You're about as pretentious and assholish as they come. Statements such as the one you made to fireball guy: "Aren't you a little old to be believing such things?"; and the statement you once made to me about heathenry: "...cosplay disguised as a religion" make me ask you the same question: Hypocrite much?

[Deacon]

I'm not sitting here having a go at Christians constantly. You like to feel threatened by the mere fact that I'm not Christian.

To follow this up with, "You're about as pretentious and assholish as they come" is interesting. Sounds like someone's a little butt-hurt about how their chosen religion doesn't get much respect on the world stage. I wasn't able to piece your hostility together with that until you reminded us about the comment regarding your adopted system of worship being basically "...cosplay disguised as a religion." It only makes it funnier when you refer to it as "heathenry". You apparently have very thin skin, a very long memory, a penchant for holding grudges and wounds, and zero sense of humor. Congratulations on all the success and personal growth "heathenry" has brought you.

[bagheadinc]

QUIT BASHIN' MAH BELIEFS!

[Martin Blank]

Too many people have gotten out of hand in this thread, so I'm locking it. Thorsman, Fuggle, Deacon, and Seir were the ones just on the last page of it.

Don't feed trollish behavior.