Palin E-mails Hacked

[adciv]

If a dog and pony show is where the guy is actually indicted and charged for felonies, I'll take it over the lack of Democrat investigations any day. Again, when was the last time you can remember Democrats ordering and investigation of Democrats?

[StruckingFuggle]

I answered your question: I don't know.

Now answer my question: numbers. Plural. Investigations launched, and investigations that actually lead to convictions, rather than indictments.

[Deacon]

I don't know.

That seems to be an acceptable answer. Jackass.

[StruckingFuggle]

Yeah, but it didn't seem that adciv answered it, especially as he seems to be trying to make a point of it, which would imply he had some in mind.

And I noticed this whole debate is being used to disguise and smokescreen the possibly issue of someone - especially a high-level office candidate, like a VP candidate - looking into a way to avoid the FOIA and subpoenas. Seriously, that's possible even more disturbing.

[adciv]

Now answer my question: numbers. Plural. Investigations launched, and investigations that actually lead to convictions, rather than indictments.

That would require a complete counting of all investigations, ever. Not possible for me to do. I can only find individual cases and list them. Given that it is possible for me to do so, and Democrats never seem to investigate themselves no matter what comes to light about them, I'd still say they at least purge their ranks of those who break the law.

On the Republican side, I can at least list Ted Stevens, Bob Ney and Rick Renzi. Notice how Marion Barry, Charlie Rangel and William Jefferson are still in office?

[adciv]

They found the guy who did this. He is David Kernell, son of Democratic Tennessee State Representative Mike Kernell.

[ILurker]

Uh.

Ramuglia told Goodin that he hasn’t a chance yet to examine his logs, but added that there is a good chance that it will lead to the hacker.

[adciv]

That's what I get for only posting one of the links to a news story. How's this one for you? At this point, there can't be much doubt on the whole thing.

[ILurker]

"The person they're talking about is my son," said Kernell. "But we know of no investigation. I have not been contacted. He has not been contacted," Kernell told a Memphis TV station.

The FBI and Secret Service have not confirmed that David Kernell is a suspect. However, the TV station said the FBI in Anchorage, Alaska has contacted the Memphis FBI bureau in the investigation.

That news story is pretty much saying that they are aware there are news stories about them, not exactly "beyond doubt". I could just toss the copypasta on 4chan with Palin's husband's e-mail address and achieve about the same level of certainty that it was him.

I don't know if it is him or not, but jumping all over blog conjecture like it's absolute proof is kind of a bad idea, especially when the released evidence thus far stems from the bastion of accuracy and transparency that is 4chan.

[adciv]

Sorry, but I never said "beyond doubt". And "Blog Conjecture"? You must have an interesting definition of "Blog Conjecture".

[ILurker]

Sorry, the exact phrase was "can't be much doubt".

As for the search warrant, of course the FBI is going to look into any possible connections. That doesn't really change that the majority of the news on it has arisen from bloggers doing their connect the dots game based on an e-mail anyone could have put in there, while the actual people doing the investigating have remained pretty coy on the subject because less than a week of investigations doesn't really give you time to do much in the way to real fact-finding. The guy's a semi-public figure, so he could be targetted by god knows who on the internet, he has roommates who would have shared a connection (assuming they've even been able to track down from the ISP who had that IP at the time yet) and known his e-mail address. There's a lot going on and very little in the way of concrete facts released outside of an e-mail address posted by an anonymous source.

[adciv]

A search warant requires "probable cause". At this point, they've probably already subpoenaed the IP logs from the proxy server. If it didn't point toward UT, I don't think they would have gone after him.

[ILurker]

Possessing an e-mail address linked to the perpretrator of a high-profile case isn't probable cause?

They didn't need to subpeona them, they were handed over on request, iirc just today. They probably will need to subpeona the ISP, though, but I doubt that happened before the decision to conduct the search was made.

[adciv]

Ah, I hadn't heard that the proxy server operator had voluntarily overturned the logs. Only that he had been notified that he shouldn't delete them. Also, the guy did not posses the same address to my knowlege. The purpetrator on 4chan had the handle "Rubico" and Kernell Jr. had the email Rubico10@. Similar, yes, but I'm not sure I'd call it probable cause without anything else. I'm kind of a believer in "Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemy action", except at twice I start taking a deeper look at things. The e-mail is one, the IP logs would be two. Finding anything on the computer would be three (assuming they do find anything).

Oh, one other thing. "A separate law enforcement source confirmed to 10 News that a search warrant was served on Kernell's apartment." from that last link.