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Post by The Cid » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:37 pm

ampersand wrote:I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is Pittsburgh thinking.
I'm glad you asked. Because it's currently my favorite thing in all of sports to bitch about.

The city of Pittsburgh has always supported the Pirates. The city's been a great baseball town for over a century. Played in the first World Series. Roberto Clemente used to hang around Pittsburgh. But the owner of the Pirates swears that Pittsburgh doesn't support his team, so he refuses to spend a bit of money or try at all.

Now, here's the funny part: the city just built him a brand new stadium, free of charge, and it's considered one of the nicest in the majors. They never finish last in attendance. In other words, the city does nothing BUT support them.

How are the fans rewarded for this devotion? By the Pirates trading away every good player they've had since 1990 and getting pretty much nothing for any of those players. They're like a flea market for the rest of baseball. The late, great Senor Clemente would be pissed. It's a shame, and the city of Pittsburgh deserves better.

But Bud Selig doesn't care. In fact, when Mark Cuban tried to buy the team (someone who would never be cheap and aloof like that), Selig shot it down allegedly, because Cuban would be a "bad fit for baseball." (Because he doesn't get a ton of publicity for the NBA and the Mavs aren't at all a successful franchise...)

Maybe Lemieux should buy the Pirates. Certainly fixed the Penguins.
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Post by Calus » Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:45 pm

Having spends half my life in the Pittsburgh area the one thing that really pisses me off is that should be Roberto Clemente Park.

Baseball needs a minimum spending limit. You should never be able to spend less money then you get from the shared revenue.
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Post by The Cid » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:56 pm

Calus wrote:Baseball needs a minimum spending limit. You should never be able to spend less money then you get from the shared revenue.
I will back this a thousand times before I even consider the idea of a salary cap. (Especially since a "salary floor" would prevent big money teams from gobbling up every superstar because the likes of Pittsburgh and Oakland would have to keep some of them.

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Post by ampersand » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:31 am

I'm not saying there is such a thing as karma. But I find it interest the only guy who actually admit to taking steroids, aka Alex Rodriguez, actually had a much more successful weekend than David Ortiz did.

Hey, Boston. Maybe you should be more worried that Tampa Bay might pass you on by for the Wild Card?

Colorado for the Wild Card! Who knew?

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ampersand wrote:I'm not saying there is such a thing as karma. But I find it interest the only guy who actually admit to taking steroids, aka Alex Rodriguez, actually had a much more successful weekend than David Ortiz did.
"Admitted" is a pretty strong word. I'd say he did something more like "qualify his statements." Everything was "but I only did it until 2003. I only did it with the Rangers. I was lying to myself." And that whole line about a clear conscience? It's steroids. Nobody was fixing games. Nobody was hurting anyone but themselves and some personal records. Also: until Rodriguez' name was discovered on the list, he was a denier too. He "admitted it" when he was caught.

Perspective: if any of us still watch the NFL, let's admit it: we stopped caring about steroids years and years ago. Because, well, to say the NFL doesn't have a steroid problem when the average lineman weighs more than Shaq and runs faster than anyone we know, that would be asinine. Baseball and the Olympic Games are the only sporting events where taking steroids warrants anything more than a slap on the wrist.

Fact is, we'll probably never know the truth. What we do know is this is a more confusing issue than it was made out to be to begin with (104 names became 96 and then became 83, and nobody knows exactly what those tests were for). I wish Ortiz had handled all this better, but who knows? The one thing I wish he had done in his press conference was acknowledge that whether what he said was an excuse or the truth, very few people are ready to believe any ballplayer in his situation. But to be fair to both Rodriguez and Ortiz, since testing with penalties has started, both of them have regularly been tested (like all MLB players) and neither was suspended for any period of time.
ampersand wrote:Hey, Boston. Maybe you should be more worried that Tampa Bay might pass you on by for the Wild Card?
Meh. "Worried" is a strong word. A friend pointed something out to me the other day: until at least 2017, no Sox fan has a right to complain about the standing of our team. That'd just be greedy. That isn't to say this last week didn't infuriate me at a few times--of course it did. But, shit, what are we going to do? Blame Ortiz for not holding his press conference earlier? (Who the Hell knows--maybe he really was looking for answers. Maybe not. But I'll note that even in all this, media and the union and the rest of baseball is stumbling over itself to back Ortiz up. Not that it's helping.) No Red Sox fan should get on David Ortiz for anything right now. Leaked name or none, what he did in Boston still happened and can't really un-happen, so we can't really blame Ortiz. The starting pitching has been good--Beckett and Lester were great this weekend, Buchholz gave all he had and kept his game close, Wakefield's going to come off the DL right when the weather starts to get colder and the wind starts blowing again--and we can't exactly blame the manager or GM since Francona and Epstein are easily the best at their positions in the franchise's last, oh, 90 or so years of baseball.

This last week, they weren't only not good enough to win the division but they don't look like a playoff team. Fortunately, it's early August as opposed to late September. Injuries will have time to heal, the outrage on steroid guys expires after three weeks unless they're Barry Bonds, and there's always the waiver wire.

Tampa Bay's a surging team and a great team. Honestly, so long as the Sox play better than they have this week, if they miss the playoffs because Tampa Bay and New York simply outplayed them, well, here's a thought: the last time Boston missed the playoffs, they won the World Series the next season. It's not like Francona's job would be in danger, or like they wouldn't be able to sign free agents.

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Final thoughts on Ortiz' name being on that list of 104, which is actually only 96...wait, 83...wait, whatever the players' union said.

-Apparently the nice guy routine Ortiz has been putting on for years has worked. The only people upset about his name on the list--and the only ones who don't believe his story--are fans. The union is behind him, every player or manager that they ask about it seems to be behind him...even when he gave a story that might be hard to believe, Ortiz had more people in his corner than Alex Rodriguez. Maybe that "not being a prick" thing works.

-Barry Bonds. Alex Rodriguez. Ken Caminiti. Jason Giambi. ...Steroids ever help those guys come through in the "clutch?" Didn't think so. Steroids give you the ability to hit the ball a long way, but being a clutch player requires more than steroids. Or, to put it another way, until Ortiz and Ramirez, how many of the accused ever won rings? Sosa? Nothing. Canseco and McGwire needed each other and a Hall of Famer in Rickey Henderson to win the big one. If steroids are what made Ortiz so "clutch," I guess Rodriguez and Bonds and the like were doing it wrong...

-And come on: how surprised can we even be by this? LOOK at the guy! Really, there are maybe ten significant players during the steroid era that would surprise me to be on a list: Pedro Martinez, Derek Jeter, Ken Griffey Jr, Kenny Lofton, Greg Maddux, Ichiro Suzuki, Tim Wakefield, Tom Glavine, Jamie Moyer, and Omar Vizquel. That's about it. Anybody else would be less than surprising. And I felt that way before the season started by the way.
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Post by Bigity » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:58 pm

I'd just like to come in here and say, thank goodness football season is coming soon.

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Post by The Cid » Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:37 pm

Pfft. Football season. I love the sport, but I get more and more sick of the NFL every year. And college football needs to make up its mind on which part of that term they want to emphasize.

Neutral site championship games (and they're all warm weather, which is absolute crap. Football is not a warm weather sport!), a salary cap that ensures mediocrity for all but six teams a year, countless teams that change their style of play to follow trendy and gimmicky stuff, a complete lack of emphasis on team chemistry, and two countries in the entire world that even play the game. You can have it.
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Post by Bigity » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:42 pm

Oh I'm not overly fond of it, but for some reason I just cannot stand to watch baseball on TV. I even prefer college basketball on radio over the TV. Football is ok on tv, but mostly football season starting means that hockey season is coming.
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Post by The Cid » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:40 pm

Bigity wrote:football season starting means that hockey season is coming.
I was just reminded yesterday of how good hockey is getting. I think the NHL is setting up for a golden age any year now. One even the NHL can't screw up.

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So Pedro Martinez is back. I have to say, baseball doesn't seem quite the same when Pedro isn't around--even this old, not-quite-Pedro version of Pedro. It cannot be understated how much fun it was to see this guy pitch in his prime, when he was making juiced-up hitters look stupid.

Pedro's going to be good for Philly. Hope he can end his career on a high note. He was one of my favorite athletes to watch in his prime, a pitcher so good that at one point, every five days baseball fans would set aside time to watch the guy pitch. Now, due to injuries and an apparent lack of steroids to recover more quickly and completely from said injuries, Pedro's prime didn't last all that long--about six or seven years at the turn of the century. But for those six or seven years, no pitcher could be better. The best anyone could ask for is just about what he was putting up: microscopic ERAs in a time where hitters held every possible advantage and where hitters were capable of regularly hitting 50+ home runs a season.

There are two moments I still want to see for the guy: I want to see him face Manny Ramirez (the two are supposedly close friends), and I want to see him face the Mets (who he'll destroy to the absolute delight of Philly fans). I'm not a fantasy sports type of guy--at least in that I don't root for specific players often, but rather for the teams they play on--but Pedro Martinez is an exception. (So are Ken Griffey Junior, Derek Lowe, Kevin Millar, Orlando Cabrera, and recently Tim Lincecum because he has a "you're never going to see anyone pitch like this again" air about him.)
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Post by ampersand » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:36 pm

Speaking of Pedro, would someone please tell Jamie "Don't call me Digger" Moyer that if it wasn't for his knuckleball he would have been forced out of the game eight years ago, at the very least.

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Post by Calus » Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:13 pm

Unassisted triple play to end a game AWESOME.
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Post by Deacon » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:56 am

Go McAllister Park (San Antonio) Little League team! Kick even MORE ass! 2-0 so far!
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Post by Bigity » Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:08 pm

Mom told me a team from down there went, neat-o.
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Post by HoBoMoMo » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:38 pm

Don't rule out the Giants for the Wild Card. They're only two games down and they have the best pitching out there.

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Post by The Cid » Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:09 pm

I penciled the Giants in for a playoff spot in March. Back then I was laughed at. "But check out their pitching! They have a young ace, a solid young closer and a solid group in between." No takers. Have to admit, didn't see Pablo Sandoval coming though. At least not like this.

I still think they're going to win the Wild Card, because their rotation is better than Colorado's. From there, it depends on who they play in the first round of the playoffs. I think they could beat St. Louis if things go right for them. (I'd take Lincecum by a nose over Carpenter and Cain over Wainright, not to mention Brian Wilson over Ryan Franklin.) I'm not so sure about Philadelphia though. I don't like the way the Giants match up against the Phillies.

This September is a little boring. Only two playoff spots (maybe the AL Central as well) are actually up for grabs right now. And even the two wild card races come down to a pair of teams each.
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