Taking back the Republican party

[Mav]

The business major in me says I need to correct your analogy, Cid. It can also be a lot like Burger King going, "Okay, we're losing a lot of customers to pizza joints. Maybe we should offer personal pan pizzas on our menu?"

(Note: apparently McDonalds once tried this and failed horribly. So obviously it doesn't mean things work, it just doesn't mean it's wrong, either. The taco bell by my house has a partnership with Pizza Hut, too.)

[Deacon]

KFC, Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut are all part of the same parent company. Actually, I think Pepsi is, too, unless they got back out of it later.

[The Cid]

The business major in me says I need to correct your analogy, Cid. It can also be a lot like Burger King going, "Okay, we're losing a lot of customers to pizza joints. Maybe we should offer personal pan pizzas on our menu?"

(Note: apparently McDonalds once tried this and failed horribly. So obviously it doesn't mean things work, it just doesn't mean it's wrong, either. The taco bell by my house has a partnership with Pizza Hut, too.)

1) I studied business as well. And while my analogy might have been a little over the top, it's still apt. The message either way is "let's just be more like our competitors and see if that works," which is oversimplified advice. Yes, it's a possible way to gain market share, but it's going to alienate your core "customers" (voters, such as Jerm) and serve as a quiet slap in the face to the way the "company" (RNC) has operated for its entire history up until this point.

I mean, Powell actually suggested that the Republicans move toward favoring larger government. Considering that the party was essentially built around the ideal of a small government, that's insane advice that really skips over possible external reasons for losing an election and assumes the only thing that made a difference was each candidate's stance on each issue.

2) You need to understand that I was setting up that half-assed Al Gore ED-drug joke for at least half of that post. Because yes, it's cheesy, but it's the kind of cheese I like. And I wasn't going to abandon such an easy joke just to set up a less sarcastic analogy.

[ampersand]

Deacon: Pepsi split, I think. KFC, Taco Bell & Pizza Hut are owned by Yum! Brands

This is also like Pizza Hut deciding it wants to compete against Fazolis by offering all their various pastas, Domino's wanting to battle Quiznos by putting toasted subs on their menu, and McDonald's thinking it can out-wit Starbuck's and Dunkin Donuts by offering their own cappuccinos.

[The Cid]

Hahahahaha, alright. Touche. I'll give you that one, Amp.

[Eihger]

to save this forum another long winded post I'll say this

THIS thread is why I hate party politics so goddamn much

[Mav]

Well, if you want to blame the symptom and not the cause, sure.

[Eihger]

I already blame human nature, haven't you read any of my posts?

[Master Kenobi]

This topic has been a pretty fascinating read. I too am sick of people in office doing what they have to to get in office, then acting all "haha, Democrats are in control, we rule" or "Republicans are for controlling Congress" instead of stepping back, taking a deep breath, and looking at what might be the best thing for the people who elected them to their blasted positions. I'm more central-right these days (as in, a guy for small government and all that it entails), and I don't really see either side pandering to a lot of what I look for.

What we need is that third party. Something that ignores the fluctuations of politics and stays focused on... Real Life.

[Eihger]

or a no party system at all. I would be in favor of that.

[Deacon]

No such thing.

[Eihger]

cause people can't accept a no party system. Makes me sad.

[StruckingFuggle]

Because it makes no pragmatic sense.

It's sad, yes, but it's also the same reason that communism doesn't work - it's a stark and hard turn against human nature.

[Mav]

And I pulled out my hair a little. Eigher, it has nothing to do with whether a person is willing to accept a "no party system". It has everything to do with the fact that while everyone is getting their jive on in your no party system, someone is going to show up with a party, organize, and dominate. It's economics. People will do what will give them the most advantage.

[StruckingFuggle]

Damnit, I really should stop talking and just let Mav speak, as he seems to be saying the same thing, except better.