Ir-wii-sponsible - May 29, 2009

[tnitnetny]

Kraggh, I am sorry, I can't read that post. I know it is probably well worded and a great post but for the love of god, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't post in blue here! I don't care if you do it on other forums, no one does it on this one.

IT HURTS THE EYES! MY GOD MY EYES!

It may be habit, but it doesn't take a lot to not type the [blue] [/blue].

[Scotty]

nono it's TB;DR as in Too Blue; Didn't Read

[bagheadinc]

Perhaps my next theme will eliminate color options.

[Mae Dean]

Bowing to pressure, I've decided to rewrite the comic. Hopefully this will be more fair to the Wii.

[bagheadinc]

As an illiterate, I take offense to the last panel of that comic!

[Mav]

There are days you make me proud to know you, sir.

[adciv]

IT HURTS THE EYES! MY GOD MY EYES!

It may be habit, but it doesn't take a lot to not type the [blue] [/blue].

QFT

[Deacon]

Bowing to pressure, I've decided to rewrite the comic. Hopefully this will be more fair to the Wii.

Dude. This is tomorrow's comic. No joke.

[Kraggh]

Concerning those who have commented on my color,
Okay, I will stop. Although I might be tempted to try out chartreuse...

Concerning EBwiz,

@Kraggh: Fair enough. I can't respond to that entire post because, damn, that was a lot. Anyway, I'd say you're right about a lot (Except maybe the part about sales not being reality, but that's also because I'm a game developer myself) of things there and I'm glad you clarified.

Sales themselves are reality. Sales are facts. The marriage of fact and logic is what forms a sound opinion. In other words, sales are real, but opinions on what should be done to improve sales is theory. I can see where the overall theme of the post might have seemed confusing around that area, though, so I can't blame any misunderstandings. It happens all the time.

Yeah, Greg is allowed to state his preference, and that's cool. He's also allowed to say it doesn't have any good games in a comic, because it's a comic and it's supposed to be funny, and hyperbole is a good tool for humor. Still, I figured we'd see the kind of system war nonsense we always see, and jumped to the forum because hell, it's good discussion.

It is good how it gives the Wii lovers an excuse to retaliate and make fun of whatever Greg is a fan of (I'm not totally sure right now), which is all in good fun. Hyperbole, yes, is definitely good. I couldn't have said it better myself.

However, even if you don't like any game for the Wii (And I can't imagine that being the case for everyone) you can't just say the Wii doesn't have any good games. That's not an opinion - it's just blatantly wrong. You can say "I don't like any games for the Wii", (Or rather "I don't like any of the games I have played for the Wii so far"). What makes something bad is how it's made, not personal preference.

Well, now we are getting very technical on how someone can state how something fits their preferences. The wording of such statements range from poor to perfect. It's usually the former, though I prefer the latter. You're right with both of those example statements, and I can see how "None of the games on the Wii are good" is improper. "Good" can be confused with something other than preference.

However, I think that it is important to acknowledge that an opinion can be wrong, even blatantly wrong. I can have an opinion that all Americans are hopeless slobs without variation. It would be blatantly wrong, but it would still be an opinion.

Of course, sometimes people will base an entire opinion off of their tastes. It would be a fallacy to essentially say "The Wii will fail because I don't like it." The specific fallacy is called personal incredulity, the idea that because something seems hard to personally believe, it must be false. In this case, if someone has a hard time liking the Wii themselves, sometimes it can be hard to believe that others would, too.

I think it's a very important distinction to make, because when you start to generalize, that's when flame wars start, or worse, people just snuff out conversation altogether by hiding behind the "it's my opinion!" defense, and that's what started to scare me about this thread and you're initial post.

The "It's my opinion!" defense is indeed a fallacy. One of the reasons is that people often confuse opinions with tastes. Certainly, one can say, in various ways, that they are not a fan of the Wii. Heck, it can be said and just be left at that. However, once someone uses the word "opinion", then there is fallacy. People do not like fallacy. Sometimes one cannot put their finger down on what is wrong with a statement, but if they can sense it, they will often pounce.

Also, it is good to discuss exactly what your tastes are. It is beneficial to be clearly understood.

Over all though, it seems we agree that people can have their tastes and discuss it, so we'll leave it at that.

Agreed.

Concerning Greg Dean,
Actually, I'll admit, when it comes to wording, that makeshift strip was awesome, and the abnormality of it got me laughing. If you are familiar with Andy Weir, he had a term called one-percenter jokes, or jokes that very few would find amusing but would pack an extra punch for them because they weren't expecting it. In this case, I'm in the 1%.

Kraggh

[adciv]

Concerning those who have commented on my color,
Okay, I will stop. Although I might be tempted to try out chartreuse...

That's yellow. Chartreuse has less Red in it. This is chartreuse

[tnitnetny]

Hahaha. Adciv can't get chartreuse either! Maybe I will show you what color chartreuse is when I see you tomorrow.

Much Better! Thank you! Once you stop using color all the time, your posts are very intelligent and fantastic. Please make an intro thread and participate more often!

[bagheadinc]

Hahaha. Adciv can't get chartreuse either!

No, he was right. That is traditional chartreuse. This is web chartreuse.

[ampersand]

Wait, web chartreuse is lime green? Freaky.

Okay, I get that serious gamers prefer just about anything (including the Nintendo DS) over the Wii, but why 360 over PS3? It's like Microsoft laced their 360s with crack (which may explain why they go down so frequently) even though the PS3 has better graphics than the 360.

And tnit, I didn't have a problem with the blue text. Yellow or chartreuse, on the other hand was really hard to read. And orange would be a problem too.

[Rikku_Chan]

As a Japanese citizen, I have this to say about the Wii: The Wii sucks. 360 is king. YOUR WORLD IS SHATTERED.

[adciv]

*glomp* What's a Japanese Citizen doing in the US Navy?