New Danger: Right-wing extremist terrorists

[adciv]

Lucksi:
Right Wing: Smaller government, no social programs, fewer laws regarding behavior or actions, closer to anarchy.
Left Wing: Larger government, everything provided by the government (massive social programs), many strict laws regarding behavior and actions, think big brother/nanny state.

So you can´t really put your republicans on neither right nor left wing?

Depends on the axis you're talking about, but as a whole, yes. The same can probably be said for the US Democrats once you toss in a few more of the axes or just about any other political party. There are also some things that do not fall under any left or right definition. Which social values someone holds do not fall under a left/right definition, but another entirely. The closest you could get would be a government enforcement (or not) of a given set of values and that is it. Going with just most of the left/right axis, the absolute right would be no government and the absolute left would be 1984/The Matrix and a few science fiction stories I can think of where the government has full monitoring and control of everything and anything you do and do not do.

Still waiting on the answers to these:

Fuggle,Question, what do you mean by "Economic Government"?
Lucksi,You're going to have to tell me what the 'Nazi-mindset' is before I can figure out where it goes in the many-axis political spectrum of things.

[Deacon]

Mav. What?

WTF are you on about? Why is the answer not obvious to me? The answer to what? What question was being asked, or what problem was in need of solving? What is it I don't get, exactly, and how the hell am I being crazy?

A racist old life-long criminal and crazy goes off and shoots two people because he hates Jews. "Oh, look, there goes the right wing over there. They're all jerks, and they're starting to become dangerous." If you don't "get" the incongruity, the nearly non-sequitur-like nature of that response, then honestly I don't know what to tell you that hasn't already been said in this thread. It's an attempt to not so subtly vilify anyone right of center by not only attempting to associate wackos who have nothing to do with right-wing politics but to move the line of extremism so far back to the left that moderate Libertarians can now be cast aside as "right-wing extremists". I can't even say "right-wing" without getting a little pang in the back of my mind, because it sounds like a militant hate group.

Pretty much everything you said has been answered in this thread. Neo-nazi's are NOT right-wing, and yet you instantly go to them as the quintessential right-wing extremist example. In an effort to prove your point (that I "don't get it" apparently), you accidentally proved mine. This tainting of the public mind, this practiced and purposeful misleading of America (and the world) by the predominately leftists in charge of most of the media in this country has done its job. They've repeated falsehoods so often that they've become true by changing the definition to match the lie.

[Mav]

You're going on about leftist conspiracy theories.

I think I can leave it at that.

[Deacon]

Leftist conspiracy theories?? WTF are you talking about? Are you just being an ass? It's really hard to tell with you sometimes.

It's no more a conspiracy than Bill O'Reilly saying the dead abortion doctor was running a death mill, only with a little more subtlety and smoothness. It's people putting ideas they favor in a positive light and painting those they do not as bad and to be shunned. It's a natural instinct but is supposed to be avoided in journalism. Unfortunately, it isn't.

[JermCool]

Considering the guy also had Fox News reporters on his hit list, hated George W., and was headed to a local conservative talk radio station after the shooting to take out some of the reporters, being a "right-wing" extremist isn't this guy's problem.

[Eihger]

Considering the guy also had Fox News reporters on his hit list, hated George W., and was headed to a local conservative talk radio station after the shooting to take out some of the reporters, being a "right-wing" extremist isn't this guy's problem.

SHHH the Liberal media doesn't want people to know the side they don't want people to know.

[JermCool]

Besides, lately Jew-hating is more of a leftist's game, isn't it?

I don't think Rev. Wright could be considered "right-wing".

[Mav]

It's people putting ideas they favor in a positive light and painting those they do not as bad and to be shunned. It's a natural instinct but is supposed to be avoided in journalism. Unfortunately, it isn't.

Then should this have been what you made the fucking thread about? Fuckstick.

Also, to the rest of you, the man was also quoted as having said or written "If you want my weapons, this is how you'll get them." If I recall correctly, 2nd admendment rights are pretty big on the right.

[Deacon]

You might as well say a right to one's sexual orientation is important to leftists as a response to a story about rape, you jackass.

And no, here's where it gets fun, because being against the 2nd Amendment is more of a Democrat thing than a leftist thing, and being for the preservation of one's rights and freedoms isn't really exclusive to Republicans.

[The Cid]

Once again...wow, everybody. Just fucking wow.

An abortion doctor was murdered, about two weeks ago. Last week, some psycho starts firing in a Holocaust memorial and kills a security guard.

Rather than, say, just condemn the acts as the acts of extremists and whack jobs, we have to bring an ideology to it, don't we? Have to attach a label.

Is it right wing? Seriously, who the fuck cares?! Please, stop with the left vs. right war bullshit, it's nonsense and it's getting us nowhere but it's certainly making everyone nice and mad.

But someone referred to the killers as "right-wing terrorists," so Deacon's dander is up. Guess what: there IS such a thing as a right-wing terrorist. There IS such a thing as a person who takes the social and political "right" so far that they end up shooting somebody. It DOES happen, because there are psychos and nutjobs in all walks of life and sometimes it hits a little closer to home than other times.

Am I saying there's a large and formidable movement of these pieces of human garbage? No. There isn't. But they do exist, and they can kill people. Stop drawing connections between them and people who are nothing like them.

No reasonable, logical human being condones the actions of these murderers, terrorists, monsters, psychos, whatever. Get off it.

...Now go back to your fight. But come on. Both sides here are being very, very ridiculous. The proper response to these extremists is to be appalled at their actions and saddened that two people actually died. Not to get pissed off at the label the killers were given. Like a few extremists that are far, far off from any ideas you'll ever have are going to forever sour the world on your ideas. Give me a break!

[Mav]

No, that was pretty much what I was saying.

[Deacon]

The proper response to these extremists is to be appalled at their actions and saddened that two people actually died. Not to get pissed off at the label the killers were given.

Sigh. False dichotomy.

[Mav]

o rly?

[The Cid]

Sigh. False dichotomy.

Sure. Fine.

You're still overreacting to a label. And an accurate label at that. I don't understand why. What, if they're "right wing" you can't be economically and socially to the political right? You can't share an entire half of the political spectrum with a few extremists? You're getting pissed off about the wrong things, if you ask me.

Edit: Know who I really feel bad for in this political spectrum crap? Offensive hockey players. "Right wing" to me means somebody like John LeClair.

[Hirschof]

In my eyes, you're all crazy.