9/21/09 SGU

[collegestudent22]

Did not like that it felt like Enterprise in the set design department. We have 15 years of established backstory here, so why throw it out the window just for the sake of a few props? The ship looks nothing like any other ancient technology, the gate is entirely different than any other gate we've seen, they aren't in hyperspace for no reason other than . . . to be different. Just seems that if they wanted the show to be cannon, they would have stuck a LITTLE more to the established storyline. I know they want to make it more accessible to new fans, but you can do that with better writing much faster than by redesigning everything about how it looks.

Never understood this point. Both series have reasons to change up the set and props. Enterprise was one of the first large exploratory warp-capable ships - it isn't going to look like any of the other series. The Ancients couldn't have used the same technology with the same asthetics for milennia. Things change. Hell, for that ship to get so far out, it could have been launched even before the Ancients developed some of that technology. (Maybe that's part of the reason it is falling apart.)

[Mae Dean]

It is. The ship is IMMENSELY old. Much older than the rest of the ancient technology we see in the series. The gate is so different because it's more or less a PROTOTYPE of the gate itself. This ship is very, very, very old. possibly in the range of millions of years.

[zuke]

Don't argue me on Enterprise; it's an Akira class ship that they flipped upside down and replaced the nacelles. They've even admitted to as much in interviews.

As for the Destiny, I'm willing to believe that in regards to the ship itself. I'm even willing to believe that everything in the ship is more or less manual, hence no need for the ATA gene. However, it was previously established that the Earth gate (the one in Antarctica, not found in Giza) was the first gate. Anyway, these are all little niggles and nothing more that me nitpicking. I get that. I'm just not so crazy about how they feel the need to redo EVERY little aesthetic on a show when a break off happens.

Is anyone else curious about how they'll gate back to the ship from the planet? Didn't it take the power from a planet's core to power the 9th chevron to get to the ship in the first place? And heaven help them if the "gate making" ship ahead of them broke down a while back and they overshoot it.

[Mae Dean]

However, it was previously established that the Earth gate (the one in Antarctica, not found in Giza) was the first gate.

Actually, the Antarctica gate wasn't necessarily the first gate... it was the "primary earth gate". They have plenty of anomalies in the way they present things anyway, like if the Antarctic Gate and the Giza Gate are from different planets (the Giza Gate was brought to Earth by Ra) why do they both have the Earth Point of Origin symbol on them?

But in any case, just because the Antarctic Gate was the primary gate on earth doesn't necessarily mean it was the first gate created. It would stand to reason that other prototypes existed beforehand.

Is anyone else curious about how they'll gate back to the ship from the planet? Didn't it take the power from a planet's core to power the 9th chevron to get to the ship in the first place? And heaven help them if the "gate making" ship ahead of them broke down a while back and they overshoot it.

That was only to dial the "code" required to get to the ship from anywhere. While the ship is out of hyperspace, it acts just like any other gate within range... although they also had some mention of a time limit, so perhaps there's an automated return sequence. Iunno.

[zuke]

A return sequence WOULD make the most sense (it'd also be the easiest thing for the writers, and add a nice dramatic element to it). I saw mention that the control panel for the Kino balls is also a mobile DHD. Also, it doesn't have the Earth as the point of origin on both gates, it merely has the same symbol. If you remember in the episode where they found the Antactic gate, they determined it's original point of origin looked like the green lantern symbol placed on it's side. Also, since the gates assume the address of their current location, it doesn't matter what it's original address was, it'd take on the new address when it was moved to Earth.

Who knows, though. They could find that this gate on the Destiny is a special one, and the gates being built and sent to new planets are in fact very much like the ones we've seen before.

[teddy]

Tonights episode was much better, and i feel much better about the series after watching it. Also, Rush is a total asshole.

[Frosting]

Stick your hand through! That'll hold it open! :p <3ed the ep and I even got my friend hooked muahaha.

[Tuitsuro]

It is. The ship is IMMENSELY old. Much older than the rest of the ancient technology we see in the series. The gate is so different because it's more or less a PROTOTYPE of the gate itself. This ship is very, very, very old. possibly in the range of millions of years.

It sort of makes sense; it would have been a ship built directly after the Ancients came to the Milky Way Galaxy, after being exiled from the Alteran galaxy, to help seed the Milky Way and eventually, Pegasus, with millions of stargates. But if the gate system in general was based off of Earth constellations, then why would the prototype of that gate be on a galaxyship heading off god knows where in some random direction?

Edit: Unless it was built before the Milky Way system was devised, I guess. Then the 'original' system would have been based off simple numbers, like the Destiny gate uses, instead of constellations; since there is no easy visual way to represent vastly distant galaxies as coordinates.

[zuke]

Thought would make sense.

Also, I too feel much better about it after watching the last "Air" episode. The premier left me a little wanting. Then I found out that the premier was actually three hours long and we only saw the first 2/3 of it. Adding the last part on really helped it overall!

Still kinda wish Rush had explained WHY shooting the dude was a way of saving him. I mean was the other planet a sea of acid or something?

[tnitnetny]

We don't know why the other planet was a bad idea because the lady that went through never came back. Rush has complete faith in the ship and if believed there was a reason the ship eliminated the other gates, then he fully believed by going there they would die. So in his mind, he saved him.

I am loving the series. I can't get the b-friend to watch it yet though. Maybe when he visits in a few weeks I'll force him to watch.

[ijuin]

It sort of makes sense; it would have been a ship built directly after the Ancients came to the Milky Way Galaxy, after being exiled from the Alteran galaxy

I must be behind on my Stargate history or something, because I thought that Earth was so special precisely because it was the Ancients' original homeworld?

[Mae Dean]

Nope. It was their second homeworld, after leaving the Ori galaxy. (The Ancients were essentially refugees)

[Jirin]

I liked the second episode a lot more than the first episode. The show's getting more promising.

Although, I still have one big reservation. The way conflicts are written. There are all these intrinsic conflicts between the characters. They don't trust each other, they feel they're stranded because Rush tricked them. But the only way they can think of to demonstrate these conflicts is to have the characters point guns at each other. Surely they can think of a more interesting way to show us that the characters don't like each other.

[barawn]

Although, I still have one big reservation. The way conflicts are written. There are all these intrinsic conflicts between the characters. They don't trust each other, they feel they're stranded because Rush tricked them. But the only way they can think of to demonstrate these conflicts is to have the characters point guns at each other. Surely they can think of a more interesting way to show us that the characters don't like each other.

They did. After Rush took the wounded guy back through the gate, he simply stated who shot him - he didn't say that Rush told him to shoot. He clearly did this to reduce trust in him - and since this is the guy who was in (Icarus base's) prison before, they're already a little leery.

That act made me hate Rush a bit more, because before he had never seemed spiteful, just single-minded and arrogant. Now he seems spiteful and petty, too.

[Jirin]

I'm totally on board with SGU now. He makes everyone think they're all going to die just so the commander is forced to decide who lives and who dies, thereby reducing his trustworthiness? That was awesome. And it's started to feel more emotionally genuine. Though it still doesn't make sense to me that all these military people are treating Eli like one of their leaders just because he's a Wesley Crusher-esque prodigy.

I don't know who wrote the pilot, but don't let him write any more episodes. Seriously, you knew immediately what would happen to the senator just based on him being a more famous actor than everyone else.