Rivalry between Christians and Jews

[Muspar]

There have been instances of anti-semitism in pretty much every Christian denomination. I think, though, that this would be a result of people having a specific hatred and then trying to justify that hatred through Christianity, even if to do so requires going blatantly against everything the Bible teaches. I found one relevant passage online from the Apostle Paul talking about his Jewish brethren who did not convert to Christianity as he did and why he still respects them, "They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen" (Romans 9:4-5, ESV). I know there are other verses in the New Testament talking about how gentile Christians are still to respect the Jews because God had elected them as His people, but I can't remember where any of them are.

[Deacon]

I'd hoped the mention of the KKK earlier was something I could let slide, an uthinking slip in a moment of absurd passion, instead of counting it against you as utterly ridiculous to the point of being embarrassing for you. The KKK was not a religious organization in any way, its widely known appropriation of a cross burning in yards for intimidation purposes notwithstanding. It was a white supremacist group, attacking anyone different than themselves, even other Christians.

EDIT: Ninja'ed by SevTiZ who also thought he'd sound smarter by saying some stupid shit about Family Guy being an authoritative source on religion, as though that were the point.

You brought it up to use in support of your argument in the first place. Pointing out it is not a valid source subtracts from your argument.

It's not an argument. This isn't some sort of formal debate. It's not even worth some sort of formal debate because it's a plain fact of history. The Catholic Church has a long history of being antisemitic. It's been bled off starting since around the 60's, and today's generation has mostly escaped the long-held frustrations of the past, but that's where the whole "Christians-Jews hate each other" thing comes from. And yes, there was an entire Family Guy episode dedicated to it, a social commentary. You and SevTiZ are both ridiculous for discounting it, as though it were making something up from scratch.

[adciv]

The KKK is made up solely of non-Catholic christians and you said "maybe I'm completely wrong and non-Catholic Christians have a similar history of antisemitism" and I gave you a perfect example. Regardless of it being a religious organization or not, it is a perfect example.

Making something up from scratch and bringing up something that is no longer relevant are two different things. If Family Guy did an episode where the Griffin Family owned the Brown Family as slaves, would that be just as relevant to the modern day south? You keep bringing up things long past, admit they are long past, and then try to use that as justification that there is still animosity between Catholics and Jews.

And yes, this is an argument. Informal, but still an argument.

[Terrene]

Edit: Pointless insult removed. User formally warned.

[Seir]

Martin Luther, Father of the Protestant Reformation, was known to be quite anti-Semitic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_and_antisemitism

[Muspar]

Martin Luther, Father of the Protestant Reformation, was known to be quite anti-Semitic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_and_antisemitism

Yeah, even the Lutheran church readily admits to and denounces Luther's later cuntbaggery when it comes to his treatment of the Jews.

[FireAza]

The Pope was Jewish back then, 'Aza. Most of Rome was.
His conversion to Christianity when Peter invaded the Vatican is one of the reasons for the animosity between the two religions.

Holy crap! The Catholics, supposedly the ones with a grudge against the Jews, but it turns out The Pope, the "king" of the Catholics was once Jewish himself! What a twist!

[adciv]

Aza, "prince", not "king". Jesus would be the "king"

[Deacon]

Martin Luther, Father of the Protestant Reformation, was known to be quite anti-Semitic.

Well after all, he was raised Catholic...

[FireAza]

Aza, "prince", not "king". Jesus would be the "king"

Oh OK, either way, he's in a position of great power.

On a similar note, why does Jesus get so much credit in the Christian faith? You don't hear much about God, and according to the Bible, he's the one who created everything. Jesus' name seems to come up much more often, poor God

[Muspar]

On a similar note, why does Jesus get so much credit in the Christian faith? You don't hear much about God, and according to the Bible, he's the one who created everything. Jesus' name seems to come up much more often, poor God

Doctrine of the Trinity, my friend, Doctrine of the Trinity. "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father" and all that from the Nicean creed. Seeing God the Father and Jesus the Son as two separate Persons within the same Being meant (to the early Church) that to credit something to Jesus was the same as crediting it to God. Just bear in mind that the word "person" in the original context does not mean "individual, self-actualized center of free will and conscious activity" as it does in modern English, so reading the word as such will lead to confusion.

[Ender]

Just for the record...I'm Catholic and I don't have anything against Jews...just sayin'

[FireAza]

On a similar note, why does Jesus get so much credit in the Christian faith? You don't hear much about God, and according to the Bible, he's the one who created everything. Jesus' name seems to come up much more often, poor God

Doctrine of the Trinity, my friend, Doctrine of the Trinity. "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father" and all that from the Nicean creed. Seeing God the Father and Jesus the Son as two separate Persons within the same Being meant (to the early Church) that to credit something to Jesus was the same as crediting it to God. Just bear in mind that the word "person" in the original context does not mean "individual, self-actualized center of free will and conscious activity" as it does in modern English, so reading the word as such will lead to confusion.

OK, so they're same person. But why do so many people use "Jesus" much more often than "God"?

[Muspar]

OK, so they're same person. But why do so many people use "Jesus" much more often than "God"?

I unno. Maybe "Jesus" feels more personal?

[adciv]

Off hand, my guess would be due to Christianity dealing mainly with the New Testament of the Bible. As it centers around "Jesus the Son" instead of "God the Father", it's one way of focusing on what you are talking about.