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klork · Post by **klork** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:51 pm

thats just stupid

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:55 pm

[quote="Infin8Cyn";p="435887"]...Ford 5.0's Like boost...[/quote]

Ford engines in general like boost. Not knockings anything anyone else puts out but Ford has had a long time standing tradition of overbuilding its motors. Its why you don't hear of Ford small blocks being reffered to as a 2 bolt or 4 bolt main. They are all 4 bolt mains. Then ofcourse there are the drag strip versions that just get crazy with the bolts.

On another subject I sold my '65 Falcon a while back for $10,500. The guy that got it is converting it into a show car that will not see the pavement ever again

Too bad because I was just getting ready to work the suspention, replace the tranny, and put a cage in so I could try and push it deep into the 11's while still rolling street legal tires and all. Anyhow its good that it's gone cuz now I can get started on my real dream car... a '68 fastback Mustang. No I'm not building another GT500 clone, I plan to steal various cosmetic parts from all the late '60s fastback models. They opened a chassis shop here in town that builds street legal "tuber" chassis and that is what I want (Mustangs of that era are unibody). I also plan on getting my hands on the new 5.4L out of the F-150 Lightnings and working the hell out of it. I have a plan all worked up for this thing and hope to get it under way some time in the next year. I am shooting for a mid to low 11 in this thing (making it a strong 10 second car at sea level).

klork · Post by **klork** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:50 am

well actually they are 2 bolt mains.

The buick 3.8 is rediculisly over built. Deepskirt block and the stock rotating assembly is supposed to be good to around 600 hp i believe.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:29 am

Bonneville has that 3.8L (3800 Series II). Hooray!

Teranfirbt · Post by **Teranfirbt** » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:53 am

Stock 22RE crank is good for 1100 HP (Toysport has one to prove it..)
My dad's 289 he's building up is a 2 bolt block.

HTRN · Post by **HTRN** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:23 pm

A couple of points:

Teranfirbt: I don't imagine it was much of a boat. It had to weigh under 1500 pounds to not imediately kill the transaxle. Me, I'm currently eyeing a friends 28 foot Chapparel...

Rileyrat: you know why Fords like boost? because they have an undersized intake port/valve. Go look at the sizes of a comparable GM 196 casting and you'll see what I mean. The Twisted Flow heads are a great add on - they have an R version that I would love to use on the Dart block - 12-1 compression with flat tops, 450 cubic inch in a Windsor deck height

and the best part is if you do it right, it will look like a factory motor in a Mustang, you'd have to get a measuring tape to know the difference... As for "Overbuilding" the motors, that may have been true once, but Ford has been (since the early 80's at least) putting the blocks on a serious diet. Virtually every 5.0 block has to be checked with the sonar doohickey to check cylinder wall thickness, even for an .030 overbore. I don't know what the current GM blocks are like but the early Hydroroller blocks in the Camaros in the late eighties/early nineties could be successfully be bored .030, but needed to be sonic checked for an .060 overbore.

Klork: the Buick 231 Evenfire V6 is the most underdeveloped engines with potential of the last 30 years. Outside of guys like Ken Duttweiler and a bunch of Turbo Grand National fanatics, there seems to be know real interest in it. Most major part houses carry little, if any performance stuff for it - you usually have to special order from the manufacturer anything really hardcore. I really don't understand this, the motor can easily make 400hp in street trim and still get good gas mileage. Hell, GM at one point released the Stage II Block/Head Combo(extra Head studs, for mucho boost) that made obscene amounts of boost possible. I'd love to build a NOxed, Supercharged stroker version and drop it into a Triumph TR6...

HTRN

Catamaul · Post by **Catamaul** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:27 am

This was so fun (snow fun). First time out snow driving in the new whip. Not sure if you all heard but Ohio is getting blasted with a big ass storm and they are expecting another 6 inches over the next evening. This is the WRX after a nice night of treating it like I should.

...and as cool as it looks I miss...

Teranfirbt · Post by **Teranfirbt** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:18 am

I bet the cold air gives it a little kick the pants... I didn't get to do any slow drifting last year, mostly because I always had other people in the car..

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:28 am

Yeah I should of clarified and read my own post before throwing it up. Most of the blocks I mess with are real old. Ford has gotten cheap in more recent years. Hell all the American companies have. People often think that because I like classic cars that I automatically hate imports.

Only one of my daily driver cars in the last 9 years was from an American company, effin exploder. If I were to build a modern car I can garuntee you it would not be anything from here. If I had the cash to do two cars the other would definatly be a WRX or EVO, just something about them I like (other than the fact they are some of the best road huggers for damn near any price) Ohh and nice car Catamaul, though I'm not much for the wagons they are still sick ^^

Infin8Cyn · Post by **Infin8Cyn** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:14 pm

Rileyrat,
I don't think it's so much Ford as just most American auto makers have just gotten cheap. For instance, watch the "Top Gear" review of the new C6 Corvette. They complain about all the plastic that's used in interiors, and I agree... Everything is plastic these days, it feels as though if I ran into something in a new car, every interior piece would shatter, bend, or just explode into 2000+ little plastic peices.

Catamaul,
What's that white stuff on your car? We've got brown stuff here, dirt, I think it's called. Is that like, your dirt? I don't get it.
/New Mexican resident 21+yrs

Teran,
Nothing beats the feeling of a turbocharged vehicle in cold weather conditions. I love it.

435 · Post by **435** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:22 pm

klork · Post by **klork** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 5:51 pm

HTRN- You also forgot about the shit load of people building up the supercharged3.8 out of the Grand Prix GTP and other buick cars. You can get a whole lot out of those too and there are parts for them.

Rileyrat · Post by **Rileyrat** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 12:46 am

Yeah Infin8Cyn, thought I said something about lumping all American cars in but ohh well ^^. Anyhow I'm looking for some good ideas on the fastback that I mentioned above. Mostly I'm still a little lost on the interior. Probably gonna do leather and some good Sparco's but no clue after that. I'm not opposed to cutting on the car as im a custom guy, not a restorer. I want some good ideas on the stereo equipment and layout ideas for stero and power features. Basically I wanna make the car have as many modern features as I can. i.e. power windows, locks, keyless entry, modern stereo, and so on.

Infin8Cyn · Post by **Infin8Cyn** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:57 pm

To adapt most modern luxuries to an older vehicle isn't too hard. The main dilema you run into, is mixing up the look of the car. I.E.
"Look it's a '68... with a completely new interior,.... wait...."

Do you know what I mean? Just looks wrong. But it's all in how it's done. I've never, ever personally seen power windows in a '68 fastback, but if you've got the money and time nothing is impossible these days. Things like keyless entry, stereo, etc. Aren't difficult at all to do.

Teranfirbt · Post by **Teranfirbt** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:58 am

On the power windows in a 68, just use the *BIG* chrome switches.. It'll at least look period..

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