End...Im sure that you wont be having ANY sex, EVER, because quite frankly, you are the ugliest kid I have ever seen. Not to mention the fact that you look like you are 12.Imperator Severn, Sex isn't only for the purpose of making children is it? Because that isn't the reason i have been having it.
Blaze, I applaud your efforts and i hope that when you are 30 and past your sexual peak, that the viagra works just fine for you.
Personally, i would like to experience great sex while i am young.
Is premaritial sex ok?
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[quote="Pyctsidust";p="95835"]*delete as appropriate[/quote]
Nothing there to delete, actually.
Sex before marriage... I think, like most things, everyone needs to decide for themselves. Considering the marriage laws in this country, saying pre-marital sex shouldn't happen would also say that homosexual sex shouldn't happen. That may well be the belief of some as well, but in both cases that is intruding into other people's private lives and beliefs, and I'm fairly sure most people, even once married, would not like someone snooping into their bedroom and telling them they can't do something with the one they love.
I've heard tales (not sure how true, but there must be some who are this way) of people believing that sex is purely for procreation, they have sex once a month at about the woman's peak of fertility and only when they desire children, use only the missionary position, and do their best to take all pleasure out of it. Imagine one of them telling you that a little romantic fun with your spouse is bad.
I've been with women in casual circumstances where there was much laughing and wrestling and at the end we were just friends just like before we started, and I've been in circumstances where there was such meaning that she or I or both cried at the end because it was so beautiful. Sex, like many things in life, cannot be tagged as inherently good or bad; it's what you do with it that is important.
Nothing there to delete, actually.
Sex before marriage... I think, like most things, everyone needs to decide for themselves. Considering the marriage laws in this country, saying pre-marital sex shouldn't happen would also say that homosexual sex shouldn't happen. That may well be the belief of some as well, but in both cases that is intruding into other people's private lives and beliefs, and I'm fairly sure most people, even once married, would not like someone snooping into their bedroom and telling them they can't do something with the one they love.
I've heard tales (not sure how true, but there must be some who are this way) of people believing that sex is purely for procreation, they have sex once a month at about the woman's peak of fertility and only when they desire children, use only the missionary position, and do their best to take all pleasure out of it. Imagine one of them telling you that a little romantic fun with your spouse is bad.
I've been with women in casual circumstances where there was much laughing and wrestling and at the end we were just friends just like before we started, and I've been in circumstances where there was such meaning that she or I or both cried at the end because it was so beautiful. Sex, like many things in life, cannot be tagged as inherently good or bad; it's what you do with it that is important.
If I show up at your door, chances are you did something to bring me there.
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In the name of Lloyd Llewlyn! That sounds so 1984 that it's frightening. Can you imagine what these people's children turn out like? I don't want them procreating.I've heard tales (not sure how true, but there must be some who are this way) of people believing that sex is purely for procreation, they have sex once a month at about the woman's peak of fertility and only when they desire children, use only the missionary position, and do their best to take all pleasure out of it. Imagine one of them telling you that a little romantic fun with your spouse is bad.
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I didn't really want to get in on this discussion, due to the unpopular answer that I am about to give.
I believe that any sexual relations should not happen outside of marriage. I believe this due to my personal morals and religious beliefs. I believe that pre-marital sex is a sin. I made the mistake of participating in pre-marital sex and I regret it so much, there have been many problems that have entered my life because of it. I will not do that again until I have the band on my finger. Luckily there is repentence for our past sins and I rid myself of the sins of the past. I think virginity is a wonderful gift to give your wife/husband and I wish I could still give mine.
I would encourage others to follow the path of my religious beliefs, but I do not pass judgment on any person for personal choices they have made. I also do not believe any person to be evil because of pre-marital sex. Otherwise I would be a hypocrite myself. I am just stating my beliefs. I consider it extremely important for me to follow these two Bible versus.
St Matthew 7:1 – “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”
St Matthew 7:3 – “And why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam in thine own eye?”
(Both verses are taken from the King James version of the Holy Bible)
I believe that any sexual relations should not happen outside of marriage. I believe this due to my personal morals and religious beliefs. I believe that pre-marital sex is a sin. I made the mistake of participating in pre-marital sex and I regret it so much, there have been many problems that have entered my life because of it. I will not do that again until I have the band on my finger. Luckily there is repentence for our past sins and I rid myself of the sins of the past. I think virginity is a wonderful gift to give your wife/husband and I wish I could still give mine.
I would encourage others to follow the path of my religious beliefs, but I do not pass judgment on any person for personal choices they have made. I also do not believe any person to be evil because of pre-marital sex. Otherwise I would be a hypocrite myself. I am just stating my beliefs. I consider it extremely important for me to follow these two Bible versus.
St Matthew 7:1 – “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”
St Matthew 7:3 – “And why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam in thine own eye?”
(Both verses are taken from the King James version of the Holy Bible)
Just because the majority of the people here don't agree with you Document, doesn't make it unpopular, a little less common these days, but that doesn't mean anything really. It's not something I really agree with, but I have mad respect for those that do. It takes a lot of self control, whether you do it for personal, or religious reasons, and it does show a lot about a persons character and will power. Like I said, to each their own, respect me, and I'll respect you just as much.
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document, perhaps I didn't word my statement correctly and I came across as disrespectful to those who had made a decision to remain abstinent. It's not really that I don't think this decision is right, I just don't understand it. If you can explain it to me, I would really and truly love to hear. At the moment, I just can't think of any reason why one shouldn't engage in pre-marital sex and it's not for lack of trying. *smile*
Well, I like to think its sort of not for you so much as it is for the other person. You can give them something nobody else has ever, or will ever get from you. A sign of unconditional caring and surrender of something that was all yours, that is now all theirs. However, if you get to the point that you care about somebody enough to give them that before marriage, then that's more than all right as well.
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I will leave my religious views out of the discussion. It is rather hard to explain those to people who do not share the same faith as my own. To merely say that it is a sin because God said so requires a bit of faith on the other's part. But I cannot deny that the number one reason is religious.
With the religious view taken out of things, I cannot very well say that pre-marital sex is wrong. But I still believe that I wouldn't participate in that particular act of sex before marriage.
My biggest "non-religion" answer is much like I pointed out before. I think that one of the greatest gifts that one can give to their new spouse is their virginity. I regret the fact that this is one gift that I cannot give my wife. But I think there is nothing more beautiful when two virgins give themselves to eachother as husband and wife.
I believe that sex with multiple partners cheapens the sexual experience. There is the definate possibility that someone will have pre-marital sex and stay with that person for the rest of their life. If you have had previous partners, comparison to old partners might occur. I hear some fellows at work who were quite "loose" in their youth say things like, "Oh, man I wish my wife were like her in bed!" One sexual partner throughout life will help avoid these problems, and also will make the experience much more personal between the two.
I waited until I found someone that I loved. At least, I thought I loved her at the time. We started off fooling around a little bit, then went into a full sexual relationship. It destroyed the relationship merely because we were dating at the time. We were only able to see eachother occasionally, and pretty soon each date came down to waiting for sex to happen. Eventually, down the road, towards the end of the breakup, it became all about that. I didn't even know her anymore. We would hook up for a date, and we wouldn't do anything, just have sex for several hours. It was depressing and we grew to dislike eachother over the whole ordeal. Through my personal experience, sex should best wait until you can spend enough time with eachother to talk and do things. Only seeing eachother once a week destroyed that. I understand that living together is also a counter-argument for not having sex before marriage, which makes this a weak point. But a weak point is a point nonetheless.
These are just a few of the points, and I know that this is not a perfect world. Even if all people married, then had sex, divorce would still occur. Some of these points (particularly number two) don't hold up very well. Like I said, the number one reason is religious, and these other two are personal thoughts that I have on the matter.
Thanks for asking, Daemon. I hope these points shed some light for you on my personal beliefs. If you want to know more about the religious beliefs, I am always happy to speak to you about them. Although I prefer them to be in a PM.
With the religious view taken out of things, I cannot very well say that pre-marital sex is wrong. But I still believe that I wouldn't participate in that particular act of sex before marriage.
My biggest "non-religion" answer is much like I pointed out before. I think that one of the greatest gifts that one can give to their new spouse is their virginity. I regret the fact that this is one gift that I cannot give my wife. But I think there is nothing more beautiful when two virgins give themselves to eachother as husband and wife.
I believe that sex with multiple partners cheapens the sexual experience. There is the definate possibility that someone will have pre-marital sex and stay with that person for the rest of their life. If you have had previous partners, comparison to old partners might occur. I hear some fellows at work who were quite "loose" in their youth say things like, "Oh, man I wish my wife were like her in bed!" One sexual partner throughout life will help avoid these problems, and also will make the experience much more personal between the two.
I waited until I found someone that I loved. At least, I thought I loved her at the time. We started off fooling around a little bit, then went into a full sexual relationship. It destroyed the relationship merely because we were dating at the time. We were only able to see eachother occasionally, and pretty soon each date came down to waiting for sex to happen. Eventually, down the road, towards the end of the breakup, it became all about that. I didn't even know her anymore. We would hook up for a date, and we wouldn't do anything, just have sex for several hours. It was depressing and we grew to dislike eachother over the whole ordeal. Through my personal experience, sex should best wait until you can spend enough time with eachother to talk and do things. Only seeing eachother once a week destroyed that. I understand that living together is also a counter-argument for not having sex before marriage, which makes this a weak point. But a weak point is a point nonetheless.
These are just a few of the points, and I know that this is not a perfect world. Even if all people married, then had sex, divorce would still occur. Some of these points (particularly number two) don't hold up very well. Like I said, the number one reason is religious, and these other two are personal thoughts that I have on the matter.
Thanks for asking, Daemon. I hope these points shed some light for you on my personal beliefs. If you want to know more about the religious beliefs, I am always happy to speak to you about them. Although I prefer them to be in a PM.
Re: Is premaritial sex ok?
Goodness, I’m about to commit to something I do not normally do, and that is that of a serious post.
I have read, and heard arguments that state premarital sex is good, and in other cases, that it is bad. I look at it personally, as something that is going to happen if you try and restrict it, and it should be a personal decision.
However, that is in an ideal world, where there is no pregnancy and no Sexually Transmitted Diseases. If people kept in a, monogamous, for life relationship like marriage offers, one of the most deadly plagues to ever face our earth, AIDS, would not be an issue at all. The reality is, that AIDS is an issue. So I feel, strongly that pre-marital sex is not okay, at least, not any form of penetration where blood sharing is an issue. (That would be ANAL and VAGINAL sexual intercourse.)
However, there are other reasons. Sex is not a sin, in my humble opinion it is one of the most beautiful things in the universe, however there is a difference between making Love and just crass Sexual Intercourse (That’s F***ing for all you miscreants!). As stated in the previous post, it began at making love, and then turned into something ugly, however marriage is not a cure for that… What marriage does, it protects against the insecurities of single life, knowing the person you are with is sharing more.. then just sex. That’s why; IMHO, marriages based on Sex are doomed to failure.
I guess my sorry point in all this is … Sex isn’t the B-All and End-All of a relationship; it’s just the cream on the top. If Sex does become the major point of focus, the relationship with a few exceptions, is doomed.
Also, pre-marital sex, leads to complications if you’re irresponsible, to things besides STDs, as pregnancy. That is … life altering. Fifteen minutes of fun, for 18+ years of responsibility… what a huge price.
Points are… In short (phew!)
1. In an ideal world, where people were honest, and life is wonderful. Premarital sex is okay.
2. However, there are lots of pit falls for premarital sex, such as AIDS and Kids, all are life altering.
3. So in short, if you’re not responsible, and you’re a silly girl/boy who just wants the fun, remember the price.
For the religious point of view, just to include it, Sexuality is not a sin except for in the Catholic and Calvinistic forms of Christianity. But remember, even to Catholics, the act of Marriage is a Sacrament, and the consummation of that sacrament is actually having sex, it’s only in the last few hundred years that the catholic outlook has been perverted.
Enough of me for now…
Alexander
I have read, and heard arguments that state premarital sex is good, and in other cases, that it is bad. I look at it personally, as something that is going to happen if you try and restrict it, and it should be a personal decision.
However, that is in an ideal world, where there is no pregnancy and no Sexually Transmitted Diseases. If people kept in a, monogamous, for life relationship like marriage offers, one of the most deadly plagues to ever face our earth, AIDS, would not be an issue at all. The reality is, that AIDS is an issue. So I feel, strongly that pre-marital sex is not okay, at least, not any form of penetration where blood sharing is an issue. (That would be ANAL and VAGINAL sexual intercourse.)
However, there are other reasons. Sex is not a sin, in my humble opinion it is one of the most beautiful things in the universe, however there is a difference between making Love and just crass Sexual Intercourse (That’s F***ing for all you miscreants!). As stated in the previous post, it began at making love, and then turned into something ugly, however marriage is not a cure for that… What marriage does, it protects against the insecurities of single life, knowing the person you are with is sharing more.. then just sex. That’s why; IMHO, marriages based on Sex are doomed to failure.
I guess my sorry point in all this is … Sex isn’t the B-All and End-All of a relationship; it’s just the cream on the top. If Sex does become the major point of focus, the relationship with a few exceptions, is doomed.
Also, pre-marital sex, leads to complications if you’re irresponsible, to things besides STDs, as pregnancy. That is … life altering. Fifteen minutes of fun, for 18+ years of responsibility… what a huge price.
Points are… In short (phew!)
1. In an ideal world, where people were honest, and life is wonderful. Premarital sex is okay.
2. However, there are lots of pit falls for premarital sex, such as AIDS and Kids, all are life altering.
3. So in short, if you’re not responsible, and you’re a silly girl/boy who just wants the fun, remember the price.
For the religious point of view, just to include it, Sexuality is not a sin except for in the Catholic and Calvinistic forms of Christianity. But remember, even to Catholics, the act of Marriage is a Sacrament, and the consummation of that sacrament is actually having sex, it’s only in the last few hundred years that the catholic outlook has been perverted.
Enough of me for now…
Alexander
Still a nOOb, always will be a n00b, so be nice!
Re: Is premaritial sex ok?
As long as it dosn't interupt the wedding it's fine.
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sex = good
sex before marriage = bad
However, I would imagine most married couples did things in this order:
1. meet
2. have sex
3. fall in love with each other (continue having more sex)
4. get engaged (have lots and LOTS of sex)
5. get married (sex gets boring after the honeymoon)
6. get divorced (you were caught having sex with somebody else)
if you're lucky, 2 and 3 switch places sometimes.
sex before marriage = bad
However, I would imagine most married couples did things in this order:
1. meet
2. have sex
3. fall in love with each other (continue having more sex)
4. get engaged (have lots and LOTS of sex)
5. get married (sex gets boring after the honeymoon)
6. get divorced (you were caught having sex with somebody else)
if you're lucky, 2 and 3 switch places sometimes.
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Alexander, um...there's a brilliant little invention known as condoms, yes? Besides, you can get diseases from your husband/wife, too.
Shyknight, HA! I used to think 2 and 3 were switched when I was 13.
/end cynicism
I still think it's possible to keep #3 going long after the marriage and never have a #6. You just have to be super, super careful who you marry or super, super lucky or perhaps a bit of both.
Shyknight, HA! I used to think 2 and 3 were switched when I was 13.
/end cynicism
I still think it's possible to keep #3 going long after the marriage and never have a #6. You just have to be super, super careful who you marry or super, super lucky or perhaps a bit of both.
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Hmm, this is a bit of a necro, but seeing as I don't really care and want to comment anyway I won't mention it.
...damn.
Anyway, I have a fairly unusual view of sex, the complete opposite of document's.
I firmly believe marriage is totally obsolete. It's based around religion, which is also gradually becoming obsolete. When you get right down to it, it doesn't mean anything (wait, let me finish) aside from emotional bonding. You're pledging to stay with this person for ever and ever blablabla. Which I think is great, beautiful. BUT, this CAN be achieved without marriage. You can decide to be with someone without marrying them, just as you can leave someone behind forever having already married them.
I've had a few relationships, and less that 50% of them have been in any way monogamous.(sp?) For a period of several months I was dating two girls, who were also dating each other. It was great, I cared for them both very much, as they did each other. I don't see anything in the marriage clauses about this kind of relationship though. We were happy though, so I don't see what the problem is. Same with homosexuals of either gender. They aren't allowed to get married, due largely to marriage's religious basis. So, I boycott marriage. Not only is it a dated ideal, it doesn't even apply to the entire population! If two people are in love, they should be able to get married. This is not the case however, so as far am I'm concerned marriage serves no purpose. It has beened cheapened.
I realize this was supposed to be more about pre-marital sex than just marriage, but...I had something to say, so I said it. This will no dount offend some people, but I didn't mean it as a personal affront to anyone. Ah well.
...damn.
Anyway, I have a fairly unusual view of sex, the complete opposite of document's.
I firmly believe marriage is totally obsolete. It's based around religion, which is also gradually becoming obsolete. When you get right down to it, it doesn't mean anything (wait, let me finish) aside from emotional bonding. You're pledging to stay with this person for ever and ever blablabla. Which I think is great, beautiful. BUT, this CAN be achieved without marriage. You can decide to be with someone without marrying them, just as you can leave someone behind forever having already married them.
I've had a few relationships, and less that 50% of them have been in any way monogamous.(sp?) For a period of several months I was dating two girls, who were also dating each other. It was great, I cared for them both very much, as they did each other. I don't see anything in the marriage clauses about this kind of relationship though. We were happy though, so I don't see what the problem is. Same with homosexuals of either gender. They aren't allowed to get married, due largely to marriage's religious basis. So, I boycott marriage. Not only is it a dated ideal, it doesn't even apply to the entire population! If two people are in love, they should be able to get married. This is not the case however, so as far am I'm concerned marriage serves no purpose. It has beened cheapened.
I realize this was supposed to be more about pre-marital sex than just marriage, but...I had something to say, so I said it. This will no dount offend some people, but I didn't mean it as a personal affront to anyone. Ah well.
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