Japanese tag

Genjuro · Post by **Genjuro** » Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:05 pm

For the interested (and the unaware), it's called 鬼ごっこ. It doesn't translate directly to "tag," but as Greg mentioned on the news page, it's about as close to it as he's going to get.

Regarding the Japanese, instead of タッグ、お前は鬼に成ったぞ, my experience has been タッチ！お前は鬼だぞ is most often used. I should mention that the former is not wrong in any sense, but rather like saying, "Swipe! You are now it," instead of, "Tag! You're it!"

Also, notice the use of タッチ here instead of タッグ, which I have never heard used in Japanese. It's just katakana for "touch," and it gets used for all sorts of things.

The game itself is fascinating. In the case of Friday's comic, both Greg *and* Tony would be an 鬼. One cannot un-鬼ify oneself by tagging someone else. In that way, the 鬼 team becomes exponentially larger as time goes by, much like bacteria. By the end of the game, assuming you've managed to survive, there is a whole field of 鬼's running after *you.*

I once tried to teach a bunch of preschoolers how to play "American 鬼ごっこ," as I called it, and it worked out OK. It took them a while to get the idea of a "goal" (did anybody else call it a "gool" in grade school?) and the "no tagbacks" rule, but once they got it it was all good.

Playing Japanese Style "Hide 'n' Seek" is always a treat, too.

Genjuro
Yokohama, Japan

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:56 am

[quote="Genjuro";p="106489"]For the interested (and the unaware), it's called 鬼ごっこ. It doesn't translate directly to "tag," but as Greg mentioned on the news page, it's about as close to it as he's going to get.

Regarding the Japanese, instead of タッグ、お前は鬼に成ったぞ, my experience has been タッチ！お前は鬼だぞ is most often used. I should mention that the former is not wrong in any sense, but rather like saying, "Swipe! You are now it," instead of, "Tag! You're it!"

Also, notice the use of タッチ here instead of タッグ, which I have never heard used in Japanese. It's just katakana for "touch," and it gets used for all sorts of things.

The game itself is fascinating. In the case of Friday's comic, both Greg *and* Tony would be an 鬼. One cannot un-鬼ify oneself by tagging someone else. In that way, the 鬼 team becomes exponentially larger as time goes by, much like bacteria. By the end of the game, assuming you've managed to survive, there is a whole field of 鬼's running after *you.*

I once tried to teach a bunch of preschoolers how to play "American 鬼ごっこ," as I called it, and it worked out OK. It took them a while to get the idea of a "goal" (did anybody else call it a "gool" in grade school?) and the "no tagbacks" rule, but once they got it it was all good.

Playing Japanese Style "Hide 'n' Seek" is always a treat, too.

Genjuro
Yokohama, Japan[/quote]

that's how it looks to me, bwoi. question marks.

this is another use of real life hosting and images of your text.

spoon · Post by **spoon** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:22 am

Get the right fonts, or set your browser to encode in the right way and they look proper

Genjuro · Post by **Genjuro** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:36 pm

Ah, did you get a little 文字化け (mojibake)?

Spoon's advise is on-target. Get the right fonts and/or set your page encoding correctly and you should be able to read my post just fine.

Genjuro

Manga no Kami · Post by **Manga no Kami** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 2:56 pm

Oh cool. Thanks. Yet another cool little fact to add to my growing pile of generally useless yet really cool fact pile!!

For anyone who can only read romaji:

For the interested (and the unaware), it's called Oni-gokko. It doesn't translate directly to "tag," but as Greg mentioned on the news page, it's about as close to it as he's going to get.

Regarding the Japanese, instead of TAGGU、O-mae wa Oni ni natta zo, my experience has been TATCHI！O-mae wa Oni da zo is most often used. I should mention that the former is not wrong in any sense, but rather like saying, "Swipe! You are now it," instead of, "Tag! You're it!"

Also, notice the use of TATCHI here instead of TAGGU, which I have never heard used in Japanese. It's just katakana for "touch," and it gets used for all sorts of things.

The game itself is fascinating. In the case of Friday's comic, both Greg *and* Tony would be an Oni. One cannot un-oniify oneself by tagging someone else. In that way, the oni team becomes exponentially larger as time goes by, much like bacteria. By the end of the game, assuming you've managed to survive, there is a whole field of Oni's running after *you.*

I once tried to teach a bunch of preschoolers how to play "American Oni-gakko," as I called it, and it worked out OK. It took them a while to get the idea of a "goal" (did anybody else call it a "gool" in grade school?) and the "no tagbacks" rule, but once they got it it was all good.

Playing Japanese Style "Hide 'n' Seek" is always a treat, too.

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:41 pm

WTF? I installed the right fonts!!! They still show up as????!

I did that go to languages and install east asian fonts/enable east asian fonts, let it copy the 300 megs from the winxp cd, and still, work not.

EDIT: I mean Regional and Language Options in the control panel. Exactly what mozilla said to do to enable fonts.

and retarted after installing them. what the hell am i missing?

Shirt Ninja · Post by **Shirt Ninja** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:11 pm

[quote="Manga no Kami";p="106850"]In the case of Friday's comic, both Greg *and* Tony would be an Oni. One cannot un-oniify oneself by tagging someone else.[/quote]Wouldn't Tony be thrilled to be turned into an Oni? He wouldn't want to un-oniify himself, lol.
As for the rest of this thread: I don't get any of it - but then again, you wouldn't either if I started rambling in Dutch.

short_sleeved_pants · Post by **short_sleeved_pants** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:59 pm

I wonder how to pronounce aloud the japanese for "tag, your it!". I wanna learn how just for one of those little completely useless things to know.

I have a teacher at school who speaks japanese... maybe I'll tag her and say it. =P Provided someone can tell me how to properly enunciate it. Can anyone assist in that matter?

Manga no Kami · Post by **Manga no Kami** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:37 am

TATCHI！O-mae wa Oni da zo

Ta-ch'! Oh- my wah ohnee dah zoh.

That's close enough to have yourself understood.

Mentallydull · Post by **Mentallydull** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 4:23 am

on an unrelated but still related note :

Does the shirt ninja not speak in subtitles now?

sneaky ninja · Post by **sneaky ninja** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 4:53 am

i think speaking in subtitles for that one would've killed the joke.

Mentallydull · Post by **Mentallydull** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 10:29 am

Yeah, I suppose so

Genjuro · Post by **Genjuro** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:05 pm

You might want use the following for a game of Onigokko with your teacher instead:

タッチ！先生は鬼ですよ (Tatchi! Sensei wa oni desu yo)

The reason, if you've been studying Japanese, is doubtlessly clear. But, again, for the interested: お前 (o-mae) is a term of address used only for close friends or inferiors. It was formerly a term of honorific address (as was 手前 (temae, or "temee" usually) or 貴様 (kisama)), but is now somewhat impolite. Sort of like, "Hey you!" Interestingly, if you wish to sound like a yakuza boss or an Edokko (someone from the old, "original" part of modern Tokyo), you could say お前さん (o-mae san), but that's a stretch. 先生 (sensei) is safest.

Saying です (desu) instead of だ (da) is just changing the copula ("is") into its polite form, which is appropriate going from student to teacher.

Thus endeth today's lesson in polite Japanese onigokko. May it...uh...aid you in your future travels. G'night.

Genjuro
Yokohama, Japan

Accer · Post by **Accer** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:38 pm

Interesting that Greg changed it... before I just assumed that the Ninja played American style tag with a heavy Japanese accent.

Aruthra · Post by **Aruthra** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:04 pm

Question: The japanese characters appear just fine in the top post above, but on the main page, I get some weird symbols. Not question marks, but odd symbols. I'm tempted to think I'm missing a font or something, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?

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