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Shadow_2982 · Post by **Shadow_2982** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:00 am

[quote="DJ TopCat";p="115255"]3. You're just hitting and holding power off to turn off[/quote]
yes that was the problem ... i feel retared now but thanks

Post by **Martin Blank** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:05 am

...

Windows has required a shutdown from the Start menu for eight years as of this August. How could you NOT know this?

TopCat · Post by **TopCat** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:36 am

damn, two in a row of me being on. go topcat.

amlthrawn · Post by **amlthrawn** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 3:55 am

How could you NOT know this?

My dad didn't know this until I told him... neither did my brother... nor several of my previous students. I had to learn the hard way that not everyone is as computer literate as I am. For some, its not natural.

Forward disclaimer: I mean no offense.

Case in point:
Where I work, one of my co-workers was struggling to help one of our managers fix some basic computer problems... very mundane stuff... running Defrag, starting programs, doing anti-virus checks etc. My co-worker was getting very frustrated for having to hold this guy's hand through everything.

The next day, he ran into major car trouble. (You have to know the nature of my place of business, but everyone except the computer guys are car experts.) So my manager (the guy who couldn't use a computer very well) spent about 4 hours total on the phone patiently walking my friend through some very difficult car repairs. This guy was asking the same "n00b" questions my manager was, just about cars instead of computers. My friend confided in me that he learned a powerful lesson that day.

Whenever I am struggling to teach a student the bare basics of programming (they can't understand variable instantiation or what void main() means... frustrates me to no end), I always think back to my days in calculus when my tutor had to hold my hand through everything. We've all been n00bs at some point... most of us our n00bs at something right now. It's a perspective that I try to hold whenever I am doing anything.

I by no means mean any disrespect toward you at all MB. I mean, you're the commander in chief of these forums and I have great respect for you. However, I did want to say that I was a little uncomfortable with the comment.

It's an error that I've made in the past and I don't like seeing others make the same mistake.

Post by **Martin Blank** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:25 pm

No offense taken. It's just that there hasn't been a shipping operating system now in about seven years (Windows 3.1x continued shipping about a year after Win95 was released) that hasn't required a shutdown process of some kind, and even Windows 3.x required that the user exit to DOS before powering off the computer to prevent trouble. That takes us to a decade of shutting down Windows in a manner other than simply powering off.

Believe me -- I've had a great deal of experience walking people through the simplest of things. This happens often in Fortune 500 corporations. However, it's been a VERY long time since I've seen someone who didn't know to use the shutdown process at the end of a Windows session.

amlthrawn · Post by **amlthrawn** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:36 pm

That takes us to a decade of shutting down Windows in a manner other than simply powering off.

Nearly 10 years... I feel so.... so old.

Post by **Martin Blank** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:41 pm

I remember loading programs into a TRS-80 Model III from a tape deck. Don't talk to me about old.

SothThe69th · Post by **SothThe69th** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:43 pm

Back in my day by gum, we didn't even have that, we loaded our 'computers' from Record players!

</Oneupsmanship>

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:22 pm

I remember my old Atari 800 and my tape drives. And my grandfather's old TRS-80. We, the aged.

Hell, Martin is almost old enough to join my unofficial 30+ club. Only a few more years, Martin!

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