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Shyknight
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LOL, funny comic.
I wish everyone believed as you do, Sola. The problem is, people just enjoy saying "you're going to hell!" too much. They see someone doing something horrible, and because they can't stop it, instead they just say something like "you'll pay for that after you die. evil creatures will poke you with sticks in lava."
Here's the damn problem. You've got two situations:
1. God is all-loving, but also just. He deals out punishment and some are 'lost'. But aren't those contradictory statements? Methinks they are.
2. God is all-loving, and everyone gets into heaven. If this is true, then suicide is the easy way there and Hitler never had to really pay for his crimes against humanity. If this is true, there is nothing you could ever do short of torture that could ever be considered 'punishment' again. Do you want to live in a world where evil is not punished?
I wish everyone believed as you do, Sola. The problem is, people just enjoy saying "you're going to hell!" too much. They see someone doing something horrible, and because they can't stop it, instead they just say something like "you'll pay for that after you die. evil creatures will poke you with sticks in lava."
Here's the damn problem. You've got two situations:
1. God is all-loving, but also just. He deals out punishment and some are 'lost'. But aren't those contradictory statements? Methinks they are.
2. God is all-loving, and everyone gets into heaven. If this is true, then suicide is the easy way there and Hitler never had to really pay for his crimes against humanity. If this is true, there is nothing you could ever do short of torture that could ever be considered 'punishment' again. Do you want to live in a world where evil is not punished?
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I could have phrased that better. I do not see the soul as a seperate, definite entity. When you live well and have meaningful relationships, who you are will live on in the people you've influenced. If you're cold and distant or violent and spiteful, you will be only a bad memory, and your individuality will die with you.
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So then you think a 'soul' is just other peoples' memory of you? Personally I hope it's something a bit more tangible and solid than that.
"I do not see the soul as a seperate, definite entity."
Seperate from what? God? your mind? the world? Personally I think the very core of our existence is in our soul, which is only using our physical bodies for a short time before eventually leaving them at the appointed time, and going on to more important things and places beyond thy kenning.
Sorry if I'm interpreting it wrong but what you say sounds awfully close to atheism. Which is fine, as long as you know that.
"I do not see the soul as a seperate, definite entity."
Seperate from what? God? your mind? the world? Personally I think the very core of our existence is in our soul, which is only using our physical bodies for a short time before eventually leaving them at the appointed time, and going on to more important things and places beyond thy kenning.
Sorry if I'm interpreting it wrong but what you say sounds awfully close to atheism. Which is fine, as long as you know that.
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No, your soul is who you are. Your legacy (Which will indeed last forever, as any change eventually affects everything) is my view of the afterlife. You are not your physical body, but who you are is intangible. You can't put a soul in a petri dish and look at it. It is the nature of things, not a particle. That's similar to how I see God- he (and I only use the pronoun "he" because it sounds wrong) is the nature of all things, the underlying order behind apparent chaos. God did not inseminate Mary, rather Jesus was imbued with the spirit of God.
As for reincarnation, I feel a close connection with certain places and times that I've had little experience with in this life. I can't really explain it, it's just a feeling.
As for reincarnation, I feel a close connection with certain places and times that I've had little experience with in this life. I can't really explain it, it's just a feeling.
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...I still don't get it. You sound atheist to me. Or deist, at least. A 'legacy' is not a real afterlife, nor is it one I would care to live.
By your definition, a soul does not think or feel, but only is. It has no physical or spiritual identity, as it is only composed of memory and the past. It is nothing more than an idea. So basically, once you die, you're dead.
If you think that God is Nature, then you're a scientific atheist or deist using fancy words to try and make your beliefs sound cooler. So do we just die then, and this intangible idea called our 'soul' is nothing more than dust in the wind?
Reincarnation, yeah, I've had my own speculations about that. I wouldn't mind living out another life on this Earth. I can't say I've never had a strange case of deja vu either. Nothing has confirmed or denied this question for me, though, so it will remain unanswered.
By your definition, a soul does not think or feel, but only is. It has no physical or spiritual identity, as it is only composed of memory and the past. It is nothing more than an idea. So basically, once you die, you're dead.
If you think that God is Nature, then you're a scientific atheist or deist using fancy words to try and make your beliefs sound cooler. So do we just die then, and this intangible idea called our 'soul' is nothing more than dust in the wind?
Reincarnation, yeah, I've had my own speculations about that. I wouldn't mind living out another life on this Earth. I can't say I've never had a strange case of deja vu either. Nothing has confirmed or denied this question for me, though, so it will remain unanswered.
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I'm not an atheist, I do believe in God. It is rather condescendign of you to insinuate that I am "trying to make my beliefs sound cooler." I'm just expressing my thoughts as best I can. If I am deist, so be it. I don't really know anything about Deism, so I can't make any judgement. Your soul is immortal, in that what you are will echo forever. Your ego, however, that is to say your beliefs, desires, memories, and attitudes dies with you.
Like I said, I haven't figured everything out. If I had, there would be no point in discussion.
Like I said, I haven't figured everything out. If I had, there would be no point in discussion.
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