What happens when you die?

Prospero · Post by **Prospero** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:42 pm

Back to Azurain, you posed a really good thought using logical reasoning. But I think that we cannot prove the existance or nonexistance. Kind of like the reason the big bang occurred (if it did, which isn't really refuted these days due to physical evidence). Why was all matter contained at a single point? Why did it explode with such a force that it is beyond our compehension? What was around that point? Will it expand infinitely or will it regress back into a single point? Has this happened before, will it happen again, etc, etc etc. We can't prove these things correct. And nor can we prove these things wrong. They are simply ideas that we cannot ever really understand as true or false.

Either one can accept an idea, or one can make up their own.

Posted Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:46 am:

That.. probably doesn't make much sense to you, and I'm sorry.

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:18 am

I agree that we likely cannot prove the existence or nonexistence of an afterlife. But we can come to reasonable conclusions about it. Just like how we aren't likely to be able to prove the existence or nonexistence of a god, but we can come to reasonable conclusions about it. (and we can, actually, through analysis of the Christian bible and logical reasoning, prove the nonexistence of the Christian god as the New Testament portrays him, but that's not the topic here:)

(edited because I finally noticed that I referred to Christianity as xianity, something I don't tend to do on these forums:)

Icy sparks · Post by **Icy sparks** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:01 am

When you die ....you are reincarnated ...on another planet....new life ....alien......

thats it end of story.....life after alien i don't know....hmmm

Leus · Post by **Leus** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 1:17 am

I haven't read the whole thread, but I'm going to throw in my two cents anyway.

Obviously, you can't know what will happen to you when you die. Christians will say they know because they are required to firmly believe they are correct in order to get what the Christian religion promises. Same with a bunch of other religions, but that's besides the point. The real point is that no one knows.

My personal desire as to what happens after life? Nothing. I want to cease to exist. Most people disagree with me, so I understand, but I do not want to go on and continue to live forever. Sure, I'd like to spend my time here in life to the fullest, but after that, I don't want some God trying to get me to live in this mindless euphoria for the rest of eternity. I'm sure that once I got there I'd love it (obviously), but the existence of a "heaven" might also suggest the existance of a "hell."

Now, being the question-everything kind of guy I usually tend to be, I do not have faith in my own ability to truly believe in God and all that stuff, and the mere fact that I have that doubt would lead me to believe that I could never truly accomplish what such alleged "Gods" would ask of me. Therefore, I would much rather that my existence simple ceases to be after my death.

Thank you.

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:04 am

You're forgetting one important thing, Leus. Just because you live forever doesn't mean there has to be gods. There are as many ways to live forever as you can dream up. Do none of them appeal to you?

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:46 am

You're forgetting one important thing, Leus. Just because you live forever doesn't mean there has to be gods. There are as many ways to live forever as you can dream up. Do none of them appeal to you?

What a stunning example of the prevailance of Belief Through Desire... unless, of course, you were being sarcastic...

-- Chris

Shyknight · Post by **Shyknight** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:58 am

No, Azurain, I also think belief through desire is stupid. I'm agnostic... I try not to believe or disbelieve in anything without evidence. I wasn't implying that there were infinite REAL ways to live forever. I meant infinite possible things to believe. Leus has no set beliefs, and yet he insists that any afterlife he might have would include deities. That may or may not be true, but he assumes it is. I am simply wondering if his desire to quit existing upon death centers around being controlled by higher beings, or if he simply wants the peace of the grave.

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:20 am

Oh, yes, sorry Shyknight, I'd forgotten that you're agnostic... I think it's your avatar; it reminds me of ChronoSword's sig... (and I haven't seen you around for a little while)

And as for my personal idea of the idea of an infinite life... I can think of no more terrible thing than having to exist for all of eternity. My ideal would be being able to live until I decided that I no longer so desired, probably a couple of millenia from now. :)

I could easily conceptualize a god-entity whose existence I would appreciate, and I think that Leus could too if he really wanted to, so I don't think that a desire for death simply based upon a lack of desire for any god-entity is particularly valid, especially given the fact that, as you say, a god-entity is not integral to the idea of an afterlife.

Apologies again... I think I accidentally slighted you in a similar manner a while back *sighs* ... It's not intentional :).

-- Chris

elroy · Post by **elroy** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:11 pm

[quote="Leus";p="322298"]Now, being the question-everything kind of guy I usually tend to be, I do not have faith in my own ability to truly believe in God and all that stuff, and the mere fact that I have that doubt would lead me to believe that I could never truly accomplish what such alleged "Gods" would ask of me.[/quote]There's a hadith in which it is told on judgement day Mohammed (pbuh) will intercede for all muslims, Allah (swt) will say Ask anything and I will grant it, then Mohammed will plead for the muslims and Allah (swt) will say 'Go and bring forth from the Fire everyone in whose heart there is faith the weight of the lightest, lightest grain of mustard-seed.'
This shows you don't have to have supernatural like faith, all that is required is that you sincerely try.

kshadow1010 · Post by **kshadow1010** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:41 pm

I think that when you die, you slowly enter a state of nothingness. Your body "shuts off", and your senses cease to work, your body refuses to move, and your brain can no longer think. Then, your lifeless body is buried or whatever, and then it rots (if it is still in one piece).

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:07 pm

[quote="kshadow1010";p="322705"]I think that when you die, you slowly enter a state of nothingness. Your body "shuts off", and your senses cease to work, your body refuses to move, and your brain can no longer think. Then, your lifeless body is buried or whatever, and then it rots (if it is still in one piece).[/quote]

I think this is possibly my favorite first post I've seen yet...

Beer · Post by **Beer** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:47 pm

Depends on the cause of death though.

Munch on brain death for a bit.

Body and all the organs work and are fully functional. However the person will never wake up.

Are they really dead? Or just really, really, really, really, really tired.

Azurain · Post by **Azurain** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:49 pm

If their brain exhibits none of the functions that would occur were the person simply sleeping (dreams, etc...) then I'd consider the person dead, personally. It depends on the type of brain-dead, though...

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