MAC on PC?

SothThe69th · Post by **SothThe69th** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:21 am

Lets not start that "Soth is right." stuff again, it'll just go to my head.

corebreach · Post by **corebreach** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:32 am

^ Wasn't there for that, but I've seen the sigs.

Penguin_Biker · Post by **Penguin_Biker** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 3:10 pm

hey soth have you USED linux or mac OS X or are you just basing things on your experiance with windows? (nothing personal but i've just dealt with alot of windows zealots that have never even touched a unix system)

alot of windows lovers are ignorent about other options (OS x and linux) becasue they have never used them , but some people have to use winblows for their work or etc

the main reason i don't use windows is because to even run proporly it needs to be regularly rebooted. (before i switched to gentoo linux i ran SuSE linux and had 421 days of uptime)

some windows users say that it doesn't matter becasue alot of people turn their computers off when they are done useing them but that is not an excuse for how unstable windows is.

also the new 64 bit versions of windows will have a hard time with curent programs because windows will have to run 32 bit apps in a slow emulation mode

Nanosphere · Post by **Nanosphere** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:42 pm

There are viruses out there that can effect modern Linux and Mac systems, however they are very few and far between. Also yes, because of the way modern unix filesystems are structured using group/user permissions it is more difficult to write a virus that can effect the entire system without being executed by the root user.

However, if Linux and Mac does become more and more popular with everyday users as I hope it does, you will begin to see more and more viruses designed to effect them pop up. Virus writers like to see their creations spread as quickly as possible so they tend to write it for whatever system most people use, which at the moment is windows. Yes, I am well aware of all the glaring holes in windows security, however no operating system is perfect. Holes are found in Linux and Mac software every day as well.

It's also important to point out that while viruses designed to effect windows will not effect Mac or Linux systems, a Mac or Linux system can still be a passive carrier of the virus meaning if you have an infected file on your Mac or Linux system it will still lay there dormant in the file until it gets transferred to a windows system which then it can actively spread and do whatever it was designed for.

andyvn · Post by **andyvn** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:52 pm

Nanosphere wins the civilness game.

And the correctness game, for that matter

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:06 am

> also the new 64 bit versions of windows will have a hard time with curent programs because windows will have to run 32 bit apps in a slow emulation mode

This isnt really right. For IA64 yes, but that isnt anything to do with windows, its just that linux apps can (usually) be recompiled for it. x86-64 on the otherhand does hardware emulation, and 99% of windows users wont know the difference, and will continue to run 32bit apps.

> It's also important to point out that while viruses designed to effect windows will not effect Mac or Linux systems, a Mac or Linux system can still be a passive carrier of the virus meaning if you have an infected file on your Mac or Linux system it will still lay there dormant in the file until it gets transferred to a windows system which then it can actively spread and do whatever it was designed for.

This is a very rare means of transporting a virus these days, most 'viruses' today are really worms.

corebreach · Post by **corebreach** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:06 am

[quote="Penguin_Biker";p="199147"]some windows users say that it doesn't matter becasue alot of people turn their computers off when they are done useing them but that is not an excuse for how unstable windows is.[/quote]
Nevertheless, its always good to give the hardware a rest once in a while.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:45 am

> Nevertheless, its always good to give the hardware a rest once in a while.

Err... why?

I've have over 250 days uptime before without problems (not right now, due to blackout 2 weeks ago :( )

Sipheren · Post by **Sipheren** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:18 am

I run Windows and I've left it on for a week before....I could have left it longer but I dont really have a need to leave it on all the time.....

and as far as stability goes, my system hasnt crashed for a good few months now

but I am not really for one or the other....which ever does the job will do me and for now Windows is just a whole lot easier for using 3D Studio MAX....

corebreach · Post by **corebreach** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:31 am

[quote="Bruce";p="200214"]> Nevertheless, its always good to give the hardware a rest once in a while.

Err... why?

I've have over 250 days uptime before without problems (not right now, due to blackout 2 weeks ago

)[/quote] Well it depends on your hardware, but it can get worn out going nonstop for, I dunno, 1.3 years!

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:36 am

> Well it depends on your hardware, but it can get worn out going nonstop for, I dunno, 1.3 years!

It shouldnt. If it does its poor quality and avoid that brand in future.

BiscuitOrb · Post by **BiscuitOrb** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:50 am

Hi, my name is Biscuit, and I have a problem. I love OSX.

I was been a windows user/mac flamer for most of my life. Last year I was forced to use OSX. I fell in love. I'm buying an iBook.

Seriously, if you take an uniased attitude and site down with OSX, you'll be surprised just what it can do.

-G

Penguin_Biker · Post by **Penguin_Biker** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:57 pm

[quote="BiscuitOrb";p="200640"]Hi, my name is Biscuit, and I have a problem. I love OSX.

I was been a windows user/mac flamer for most of my life. Last year I was forced to use OSX. I fell in love. I'm buying an iBook.

Seriously, if you take an uniased attitude and site down with OSX, you'll be surprised just what it can do.

-G[/quote]

ahh the point i have been trying to get people to understand for about 3 years now. (about 3 years ago i was a mac/unix flamer)

most mac flamers havent even used a mac with OS X

Sir Spankspeople · Post by **Sir Spankspeople** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 3:35 pm

Mr. Penguin, you say that Unix is more stable than Windows based on uptime? I can honestly say that I could not make it to 400 days on my system, not because of stability, and not because of software upgrades, but because living in Ottawa means that the power is going to go out at least once every two months.

My computer(running Windows 2000) has not crashed once in nearly a year. I've had to turn it off to move it, and I've had to restart it for a few major software ugrades(service packs, Norton Systemworks, 3DS Max, stuff like that), but if it weren't for that and the power outages(Haven't had to restart anything since the one last week), my system never turns off, or restarts.

I'm not saying that Unix isn't MORE stable, I'm just saying that Windows isn't nearly as unstable as you make it out to be.

I once had my Win98 computer run for nearly six months straight until it died from a hardware failure(as in pretty much every piece of hardware managed to die at once).

Penguin_Biker · Post by **Penguin_Biker** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:34 pm

theres another thing about linux/unix, you don't have to restart for software upgrades
also just because it hasn't crashed when you have been useing it doesn't mean that it wouldn't have if it hadn't been restarted.

i also get power outages here but i have a power backup.

also some windows installs are better than others, some run fairly well, while others need to be restarted nearly every 20 minutes (like the ones in the computer lab i'm in now)

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