Umm ok, it doesn't matter if someone sings a song they've written, or someone sings along with it. Either way, they can be out of key with themselves. For example: If someone sings a song they made in C, but sings out of keys notes such as sharps or flats, or whatever, they will be out of key with the key they started the song with. You could argue that they are making a key change, but it is highly unlikely that they change key for one note, unless its jazz, which singing isn't. You can easily hear this when someone is singing a song, and when they hit a high note, it sounds bad cause it's not in key with the rest of the song, even if they are singing by themselves.i was talking about singers who write their own songs, not those who sing the work of others, so they'd be singing in the key the song was intended to be in because they're the ones who created the song... which conveniently enough brings up the point that rappers write their own songs, as opposed to a large majority of singers who belt out hits written by somebody else. in that sense, rappers as a whole are much more talented than some singers. Not all, but a good majority, especially pop singers.
This is something i've never understood about anti-rap people. You talk so much about how shitty the music is, and how talentless the artists are, and then you turn around and call judgement on the lyrics like you've heard every rap album out there.
Tell me, if you dislike rap so much, how on earth would you know what "most of the lyrics to rap songs" are? That would require that you listen to rap enough to get a feel for the wide variety of rap artists out there, as opposed to just forming a shit opinion by what you happen to hear on MTV.
ok, I used to listen to rap. Wu-Tang Clan, the Fugees, Snoop, and all that shit. After listening to other things though, I find the lyrics to rap songs to be shitty in comparison. Of course there are some exceptions (Wyclef Jean is my fave rapper, because all of his songs aren't about girls, guns, and being gansta) but the majority of stuff out there sucks ass. Especially the stuff on MTV, the stuff that wins awards, the stuff that is always on tv. I cruise with my friends, and they pop in a rap CD, and everytime, it sounds like crap.
And while we're on the topic of lyrics, what makes a song that depicts reality worse than say "pour some sugar on me"? I'm not saying rap lyrics are better than rock or pop lyrics, just that they all have their share of meaningless songs as well as their share of deeply written pieces of art.
Pour some sugar on me? Have you listened to Anthony Kiedies' lyrics (singer of Red Hot Chili Peppers) This is the perfect example of "good lyrics" Instead of singing a story, or dipicting reality, he uses his lyrics as an emotional tool. His lyrics are ment more to give the listener a certain emotion. Most rap lyrics that I've heard, and I've heard a lot, are all about the same thing. Cars, girls, bad home life. I mean thats about it. It gets annoying after a while. I mean if you listen to a rock guitarist, and every solo of his is the same, it gets boring. Thats why people love guitarists who don't sound the same all the time (Santana, Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Frank Zappa, John Fruciante, the list goes on and on)
I've heard a lot of improv rap that has actual solid meaning. Have you ever seen rap battles? Thats much more exciting than listening to a rap song thats been edited so many times. I mean if they've written the song out, I'd expect it to be very good, but a lot of times the improv stuff is better than written lyrics. Not only that, but it is much more impressive if you can spit the stuff out while you think of it, instead of spitting it out, and then editing it.So you judge the quality of lyrics on whether or not they were written or improvised? I don't see why, seeing as how improv rap is less likely to contain an actual solid meaning when compared to a rap song that was written with an idea in mind.
there's nothing to be rubbed in, i wasn't talked about C - C# - D# as seperate notes being individually out of key to A minor pentatonic, but rather in succesion as a whole being out of key. I know that C and D# fit, but C C# D# in that order does not fit with the scale, while C C# D# in that order by itself sounds perfectly fine.
Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood, but still, you would have to play it over something for it to sound out of key. How long have you been playing music? Your still playing pentatonic scales?
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