Just a quick rant.

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:37 pm

[quote="TheDuke";p="229790"]Fixer, please stop following me around like you do to Mandor.[/quote]
/me shoots TheDuke with a tranquilizer...

Well, since you mentioned it....

/me fits TheDuke with a radio collar and puts a tag on his ear.

*beep* *beep* *beep*

Now it will be a whole lot easier. Thanks for reminding me.

*beep* *beep* *beep*
[size=0]Like I have time to waste following you two around. It is a small forum, our paths are bound to cross often. Stop thinking you are all that, really.[/size]

Salvation122 · Post by **Salvation122** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:40 pm

*SLAP*

No small text! If you're going to insult the shmuck, do it big and up front where everyone can see it!

Here, I'll help:

Fixer wrote:Like I have time to waste following you people around. It's a small forum, our paths are bound to cross often. Stop thinking you are all that, really.

Fixer · Post by **Fixer** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:42 pm

You just don't like the small text. Never have understood why.

sneaky ninja · Post by **sneaky ninja** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:51 pm

[quote="Miroku";p="229689"]
In my experience, most times, when someone says they'll pray for you, it's with a pretty evident tone of condescending. It comes off not so much like "I'll pray that you someday understand God's love," but rather "I'll pray that someday you understand that I'm right, you're wrong, and that my way is the only way."

If a person feels compelled to pray for someone, why even tell them? Why not just do it? They know that, more than likely, telling the other person they're going to do it will simply tick them off, and further alienate them from the religion in question. Why must compassion be put on display?[/quote]

I think that there's a time and a plcae for saying certain things, and "I'll pray for you" is one of them. And it's not always so much "I'll pray that you'll understand God's love," it's often a lot like "I pray that you can get through whatever sort of thing you're going through," or "I pray that you get to go to the school you want to" and not necessarily prayer for conversion.

I pray for others out of genuine concern. If they don't see things the same way I do, that's fine. I just want the people I care about to live happy, healthy lives. I certainly don't think that's condescending, and I don't really make it a public display, either. Of course, I agree there are a lot of people out there who can't get off their high horses, but probably most of those people really care, too, they just don't express it very well, and come off as complete assholes.

.....I'll pray for them

Jamie Bond · Post by **Jamie Bond** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:19 pm

I don't see why people are so sensitive and find prayer offensive.

I myself have certain concerns and confusions about religion, and I wouldnt like it if someone tried to FORCE me to see it their way. But if someone said they would pray that I do see it their way, it would mean... and does mean a lot to me...

Because even if someone is arrogant, narrow minded and think their views are supperior, if the PRAY for you, the one thing that matters most is that they are doing so because they GENUINLY care about you... care about you enough to open their heart and pray by what THEY beleive in most... Even if you don't beleive in God, you dont need to see God to see that prayer is a thing of great meaning for those who practice it, and nothing is more sincere then the care they may show for you through that prayer.

To me... Well if they are praying for things you don't beleive... I think this deep sincerity and genuine concern far outweighs the context.

Dragonmaster Zoc · Post by **Dragonmaster Zoc** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:07 am

The Duke has said something against me; I must retort that almost everything I say is well thought-out, which is why my post count is so low as compared to others of equal... age.

NorthernComfort · Post by **NorthernComfort** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:40 am

See my signature

Damn that Cowboy Bebop, saying my thoughts so eloquently.

RadicalDreamer · Post by **RadicalDreamer** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:46 am

God didn't create humans. Humans created God

...Says the man who uses an anime to state his life's philosophies. Now go away before someone flames the livin' fuck outta you.

Accer · Post by **Accer** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:55 am

*cough* I think that's a thought that's been around a lot longer than tv...

Dragonmaster Zoc · Post by **Dragonmaster Zoc** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:56 am

I'm fairly certain that one of those old dead dudes from history class came up with that particular line.

dmpotter · Post by **dmpotter** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:09 am

"God made man in his image, and man, being a gentleman, returned the favor."

That's been attributed to too many different people, but it's an old quote. Not a new idea in the least.

Aether · Post by **Aether** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:52 am

Getting back to the whole, "I'll pray for you" thing...
I think the reason people have opposite opinions on this issue is that they are imagining different contexts for the previous statement. For example, it is one thing to say, "I'll pray for you," to someone who is going through a rough time. That's not condesceding. However, people also say, "I'll pray for you, " to people who religion or otherwise theology differs from their own, and this is terribly condescending. Essentially this is saying, "I love you, so I don't want you to go to hell. But I do think you deserve to, you heathen bastard."

RadicalDreamer · Post by **RadicalDreamer** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 5:58 pm

Aether: But does that give the "heathen" the right to yell in the "holy-roller"'s face "There is no God!"?

TheDuke · Post by **TheDuke** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:10 pm

[quote="Dragonmaster Zoc";p="230201"]The Duke has said something against me; I must retort that almost everything I say is well thought-out, which is why my post count is so low as compared to others of equal... age.[/quote]

What, six?

Aether · Post by **Aether** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:27 pm

Radical Dreamer: Certainly not. No one has the right to impose their views, morals, or theology on anyone.

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