I came across this question when I was looking at stuff about existentialism. It comes from Simone de Beauvoir.
Does society make women and men different or do we choose our roles?
Roles of Men and Women
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Society definetly creates roles and stereotypes for genders as soon as they're born. Girls get pink, boys get blue. After that, all the toys that are "For girls" are pink, and toys that are "for boys" are blue or black or something like that. Little boys get used to playing with trucks and tool sets while the little girls dress up in their frilly play dresses and play their pretty pretty princess game. Even at McDonald's, if you get a big kid meal, they ask if it's a boy or a girl so they know to give them either a disney princess crown or a hotwheels car. Also with how each gender dresses. My mom absolutely hates that I go to the men's section in wal-mart to get my clothes. "You're a girl, shop in the girl section" I have a guy friend who wanted a skirt for his birthday, so I made him one. But as soon as someone hears a guy is wearing askirt he is labeled as "gay". It's a piece of clothing, there should be limitations on what a person can and can't wear.
Sorry, i'm kinda big on the gender roles issue.
Sorry, i'm kinda big on the gender roles issue.
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Oh, sure, always with the demon killing. Demons have feelings, too, you know! You can't just go around indiscriminately killing demons! Maybe that demon had important work to do, harvesting souls and whatnot. You never know, you could throw the whole hierarchy of the Abyss (such as it is) out of whack. Who knows what chaos could ensue if the quite excellent system of soul harvesting were destroyed!? That's it. Right here, right now, I'm starting the "Save the Demons" movement. We'll call ourselves the STD, and devote our lives to the noble cause of stopping the demon slaughter. Join the STD movement today!A womans place is in the dungeon, killing demons with her portable stove.
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Women do the house-type work not because that's all they're good at, but because it makes sense. They give birth to the babies and they nurse them. Since the babies are attached to the mother emotionally, the mother is the best person to raise them. Since the babies must be kept safe at home, the mother must stay at home. Since the mother must stay at home, she might as well do most of the work that needs to be done inside the home. Now, obviously we have alternatives in modern times such as babysitters, daycare, etc. but the fact remains that SOMEBODY'S gotta watch the kids and it's usually the mother.
The man's job is to provide income for the woman and children by going out and hunting/working for food/money. Sure, the woman could do this too, and just as well, but it makes more sense for her to be taking care of the house and the babies. Prehistoric men realized it was a good idea for men and women to take on these different roles, which is why over time men became more muscular than women in order to hunt more effectively. Women, on the other hand, evolved so as to better give birth to and care for children.
Instinctively, men are not usually the nurturing sort. If they were left with the children while the mother went hunting, then I fear for the well-being of those children. One example is diaper changing. If you ever watch a mother change her baby's diaper, she does it with a smile on her face. "Awww, baby went poopie." A man, on the other hand, grimaces in disgust and hardly even wants to touch the thing. I have changed a diaper before and it was absolutely gross. I would have to love that kid a LOT more than I do now before I would change that diaper every single day. Also when a baby cries, a mother always knows just what they want. A man, on the other hand, will just stand there in pained confusion and/or bring it to a woman and ask her how to turn the thing off. I do babysit for my older sister on occasion, when she has to work and can't drop them off at daycare, but it's almost too much for me to bear. I think one of these days I may lose it and just kill/eat my nephew and niece because they won't stop crying.
The man's job is to provide income for the woman and children by going out and hunting/working for food/money. Sure, the woman could do this too, and just as well, but it makes more sense for her to be taking care of the house and the babies. Prehistoric men realized it was a good idea for men and women to take on these different roles, which is why over time men became more muscular than women in order to hunt more effectively. Women, on the other hand, evolved so as to better give birth to and care for children.
Instinctively, men are not usually the nurturing sort. If they were left with the children while the mother went hunting, then I fear for the well-being of those children. One example is diaper changing. If you ever watch a mother change her baby's diaper, she does it with a smile on her face. "Awww, baby went poopie." A man, on the other hand, grimaces in disgust and hardly even wants to touch the thing. I have changed a diaper before and it was absolutely gross. I would have to love that kid a LOT more than I do now before I would change that diaper every single day. Also when a baby cries, a mother always knows just what they want. A man, on the other hand, will just stand there in pained confusion and/or bring it to a woman and ask her how to turn the thing off. I do babysit for my older sister on occasion, when she has to work and can't drop them off at daycare, but it's almost too much for me to bear. I think one of these days I may lose it and just kill/eat my nephew and niece because they won't stop crying.
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I think society brings only part of the roles. As society is only "whatever is normal", it is what most people think it is. Therefore, the roles most people choose to play are the roles most people already chose to play.
Or something like that.
I believe that the tasks in a household are to be split. And depending on how much time you got spare, the man or the woman should do more or less. It's just something you'll have to work out together. And for you own.
Society is just a standard, a blueprint for moral values... There's no law that states one should keep him/herself to the standards. So do as you please. It's what I would do.
Or something like that.
I believe that the tasks in a household are to be split. And depending on how much time you got spare, the man or the woman should do more or less. It's just something you'll have to work out together. And for you own.
Society is just a standard, a blueprint for moral values... There's no law that states one should keep him/herself to the standards. So do as you please. It's what I would do.
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[quote="Shyknight";p="266828"]Women do the house-type work not because that's all they're good at, but because it makes sense. They give birth to the babies and they nurse them. Since the babies are attached to the mother emotionally, the mother is the best person to raise them. Since the babies must be kept safe at home, the mother must stay at home. Since the mother must stay at home, she might as well do most of the work that needs to be done inside the home. Now, obviously we have alternatives in modern times such as babysitters, daycare, etc. but the fact remains that SOMEBODY'S gotta watch the kids and it's usually the mother.[/quote]
Ok, other than the disbelief that you actually feel that way, I'm just going to say this:
You automatically assume that every woman wants to have a child, get married and raise a family. This of course is not true. What if there's a couple who agree not to have children? What then? The women stills stays home because her body doesn't create as much testosterone? And the guy who has the higher possibilty of creating mass amounts of muscle somehow make him more qualified for sitting in an office?
Not to mention you're putting stereotypes on all men when you say the guys doesn't know what to do when a baby cries and hates changing diapers. that may be your experience, but some children have a much stronger relationship with their dad then they do their mom. And I know several men who don't mind a smelly diaper. That's the part of raising a child. Shit happens (pun intended).
I could go on more about this but i won't bore you with my ramblings.
Ok, other than the disbelief that you actually feel that way, I'm just going to say this:
You automatically assume that every woman wants to have a child, get married and raise a family. This of course is not true. What if there's a couple who agree not to have children? What then? The women stills stays home because her body doesn't create as much testosterone? And the guy who has the higher possibilty of creating mass amounts of muscle somehow make him more qualified for sitting in an office?
Not to mention you're putting stereotypes on all men when you say the guys doesn't know what to do when a baby cries and hates changing diapers. that may be your experience, but some children have a much stronger relationship with their dad then they do their mom. And I know several men who don't mind a smelly diaper. That's the part of raising a child. Shit happens (pun intended).
I could go on more about this but i won't bore you with my ramblings.
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"You automatically assume that every woman wants to have a child, get married and raise a family. This of course is not true."
You're reading into my words things I'm not saying. I was talking about a hypothetical couple that DID have children, and what made sense in that family logistically. Never did I say that all women want to have children. But since women are the only gender who CAN, then IF they have children it makes sense in terms of LOGISTICS for them to also raise those children.
"Not to mention you're putting stereotypes on all men when you say the guys doesn't know what to do when a baby cries and hates changing diapers."
Yes I am. I'm making possibly unjust generalizations based on my experiences. Deal with it.
You're reading into my words things I'm not saying. I was talking about a hypothetical couple that DID have children, and what made sense in that family logistically. Never did I say that all women want to have children. But since women are the only gender who CAN, then IF they have children it makes sense in terms of LOGISTICS for them to also raise those children.
"Not to mention you're putting stereotypes on all men when you say the guys doesn't know what to do when a baby cries and hates changing diapers."
Yes I am. I'm making possibly unjust generalizations based on my experiences. Deal with it.
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Never did I say that all women want to have children. But since women are the only gender who CAN,
"Why are you always on about women, Stan?"
"Yeah, you're putting us off!"
"Because... I want to be one."
"What?!"
"I want to be a woman. ...And I want to have babies.
"Want to have babies?! You can't have babies!"
"Stop oppressing me!"
"What?"
"It's every man's right to have babies if he wants to have babies."
"I'm not oppressing you, it's scientifically impossible. You haven't got a womb. Where's the fetus gonna gestate, are you going to keep it in a box?"
"Wait, we can still fight for his right to have babies!"
"What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?"
"It's symbolic of our struggle against oppression!"
"It's symbolic of his struggle against reality."
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